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    32 minute lecture by Geophysicist Vincent Courtillot, concise clear information.

    linked through Wattsupwiththat website.

    Courtillot on the solar UV climate connection | Watts Up With That?


     
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    It seems that now no one will stick with the worn out MMGW scam eh...
     
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    interesting conclusion...
     
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    Why would you say that? What a silly thing to put up as evidence of some sort of consensus. Your claim is the opposite of the truth...again.

    Your boy, besides being French, which makes him anti-American, happens to be a well-known member of the anti-MMGC crowd. What would you expect him to say? He is also well-known for being against the theory - I SAID THEORY- of the K/T mass extinction as opposed to the Yucatan asteroid impact THEORY. He's a contrarian. Not that there's anything wrong with that- as you know, I'm a bit of one myself. Fortunately, it doesn't matter much to us who is right about what happened to Triceratops.
     
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    Information challenging the 'consensus used to draw a response, not the past few times, of course since the link has a lot of real information perhaps no one would actually take the time to see the presentation?
     
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    He has always opposed the notion of man-made global warming.

    Partisans on both sides have constantly tried to misrepresent the real issues and questions regarding global warming.
     
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    What are the real issues and questions if you don't mind my asking.
     
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    Does it exist?
    If it does, is there cause for alarm?
    If so, what are the causes / are human activities a cause?
    If so, what can we do to reduce the trend or even reverse it?
     
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    Funny I never said anything about a consensus that is the MMGW morons who talk about a non existent consensus.

    So since you can't comment on the issues the Prof raise you go the the personal attack on the guy you don't like but can't refute. Got it.
     
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    Really do you have a link for this assertion?




    BTW would it matter as to whether his analysis and the issues he raises are valid..... of course not. Again an attack on the person absent a coherent refutation of the science presented.
     
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    Depends on the time frame doesn't it.

    Since the end of the little ice age? Yes a lot.

    Since 1930? Well no. The 1930's was the warmest decade on record, the 1990's and 2000' were the next 2.


    Since 1998? No temps haven't gone up.


    Since the Medievel climate optimum? No it is cooler that it was then.


    Since the last ice Age 20,000 years ago? Much Much warmer

    No, CO2 helps plant growth increasing the amount of biomass. More crops see the famine and disease that attended the Little ice age.[/quote]



    The Sun drives the climate, in the longer time frames (tens to hundred of millions of years) the Sun's journey around the Mikey Way Galaxy is the driver.

    Human activity may be ~.1c, ie in the noise levels.




    Nothing, we are along for the ride. The real Threats to the planet are the possibility of an asteroid hitting the planet. A Super Nova going off too close to the Earth, especially if Earth is facing the axis of rotation (Gamma Ray Burst fires the planet sterilizing it). The explosion of a Super Volcano, 70,000 years ago one of these explosion almost wiped out the Human race, we were don to maybe a 1,000 individuals. If Yellowstone or Lake Toba goes off billions could die. And of course the Next Ice is a dire threat to our civilization.


    Other than developing the Technology to deflect an Asteroid there is NOTHING we can do about the really dangerous stuff.
     
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    BTW what we can help with a LOT is cleaning up fresh water around the planet many get sick and die from polluted water.
     
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    for what assertion?


    Except that there was no attack
     
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    Yes you did, silly.
    You more than implied that a consensus exists in favor of deniers of anthropocentric impacts on climate when you posted ..."no one will stick with the worn out MMGW scam..." Well, maybe you were mistaken.

    And who said I don't like the guy? Are you making up stuff for a living now?

    Sorry you didn't like my post, but you're not the boss of me. You sound like you think you're some kind of moderator. My comments are about your so-called evidence to support your insistence that the vast majority of scientists on earth are wrong and you and this French guy are right.

    You're funny.
     
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    The assertion I quoted you making when I asked the question of course.
     
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    I was referring to the people who were on this board. I don't presume that includes the scientific community at large, given the things I see written here.
     
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    There were 2 you quoted (of course).
     
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    Sorry Chico, I overestimated you comprehension skills. The one statement was a statement of fact:
    "He has always opposed the notion of man-made global warming."

    The second was an opinion.


    One asks for proof of a statement of fact, not an opinion. Perhaps you think your opinions are statements of facts and got confused
     
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    Don't blame me for your inability to write clearly. Work on your communication skills and stop pointing fingers.

    I'll gladly provide a link for the assertion you've questioned.

    edit: He started writing of the impact of geodynamics on the earth's climate in the '80s:

    http://ae-info.org/attach/User/Courtillot_Vincent/courtilot_vincent_publications.pdf
     
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    I can't wait.
     

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