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    with a new oc how will the offense change? If it is alot will it change when Brady returns? He is rehabbing while he learns a new offense, or as a vet. qb it will not matter?
     
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    An interesting question is how much of the evolution of the offense has been driven by McDaniels, how much by Belichick, and how much by the talent available?

    As an example: will we see games like the second LOLphins game, where Cassel spent almost the entire game in the shotgun, in 2009?
     
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    Very, very little would be my guess. I can't imagine it being anything other than an internal hire, with BB continuing to dictate the style and direction the offense takes.
     
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    The offense will change a lot, in good ways. We will surprise teams more and you'll see more of a chameleon-like offense week to week rather than an offense that blatantly tells you what they will do and still succeeds at it.

    Belichick gives his coordinators a lot of autonomy, look at how different the defense has looked under each coordinator, and also how different Weiss' and McDaniels' offenses looked.
     
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    Weiss and McDainels offense looked different because of Moss and Welker.
     
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    The guy's gone, having gotten hired because of the job he did, and you're still prattling along with this nonsense?
     
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    You mean like the 2002 Steelers game, in Brady's second year? When McDaniels was still in grade school?

    McDaniels did not invent the offense; if anything it's the same thing that was here when Weis was the OC.
     
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    We've seen the defense look very different under Crennel, Mangini, and Pees. Same with the offense, and it's not just due to all the loaded offensive talent. The play calling philosophies are totally different. McDaniels is very blatant in using the same 10 plays and daring other team's to stop it, which they usually don't, unless it's a meaningful playoff game in which case we choke (a lot like Mike Martz)
     
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    I do not think the Patriots offense choked during the SB. The Giants defense had a great game and their offense had a couple lucky catches.
     
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    Will change if BB decides to. We didnt have an offensive coordinator come in and do his thing and BB just approving it.
    Blame BB if you didnt like the 2007 spread offense or transition to the more spread offense.
    Playcalling may change but the offensive and defensive identitiy will be the same no matter who the coordinators are as long as BB decides and designs it.
     
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    For anyone thinking that mcdaniels invented this spread offense and just ran the same 10 plays on his own without BB having any say in it
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/sports/ncaafootball/28spread.html

     
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    I never said McDaniels invented it, I know Belichick picked up spread offense ideas from Florida.

    Point is, Belichick gives an overall philosophical direction and helps with the game planning, but DURING the games it is McDaniels' show unless he royally f's up. And during games, the guy uses the same predictable plays over and over, and was usually lucky enough that our talent was so good that it didn't matter (unless it was the playoffs)
     
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    by generalizing playoffs you mean SB ? .It sounds like we lost in the first round of the playoffs every year like the colts .
    If McD used the same plays over and over for 16 games why didnt BB correct him to improve over the season to change his style during weekly meetings and all ?
    And every play is predictable in the league between a run and pass but that doesnt make the offense predictable. And even if it is, the idea is to score points which it achieves. Tell me how many offensive plays the colts have .If the pats are predictable the colts with their stretch/play action to wayne are even more.
     
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    As many a former Patriot has seen before - The other side of the tunnel is quite dark once you leave the light of NE


    McDaniels was lucky to have had some of the top talent ever assembled on this offense also to have been on a staff coached by BB,He does have a decent offense coming in Denver but I dont see him becoming coach of the year in 2009...in fact not even close in the running


    Cassel may very well be on the same boat if he leaves NE to start elsewhere

    Of the dozens of players and coaches to go,Only Asante and Vinatieri have had some minimal success leaving this team,yet teams every year think they are stealing a great former Patriot only to have the player neve rproduce again or the coach to suck like Crennel,Weis and Mangini
     
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    It's great you bring up the Colts because that's what we've become, the 01-04 Colts with a high powered predictable offense that puts up big numbers yet comes up SHORT in big playoff games... and nobody knows why we keep getting stopped in the playoffs.
     
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    Brady has destroyed your argument time and again, as has Welker. The team doesn't even run set plays in the sense that you're complaining about, because the team runs routes that are based upon sight adjustments by both the quarterback and the receivers, and Brady has shown, and said, time and again that his favorite receiver is the open receiver.

    You don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to this issue, and you never have.
     
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    Getting stopped in the playoffs how many times ? once in the SB ? You make it sound we got stopped every yr because of this offense. This offense has been in place for 2 yrs now. We made the SB in one .So lets not generalize this like mcdaniels being a failure for the past 10 playoff losses
    i bought the colts up because its about the predictability of the offense but its still an effective offense. So when the colts choke in the playoffs is becaue manning sucked but we lose once in the SB then we are colts and mcdaniels not brady choked ??

    Once again if you think we have bcome the colts , thats an opinion but again blame BB for that not for mcdaniels for suddenly becoming this high flying spread offense just because he was appointed the OC.Its the overall scheme which is different now not just the OC from weis to Mcdaniels.
     
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    Could one of the reasons he desided to leave be ....no one yell, just asking , that he knows Brady will not be back and didnt want to chance Cassel going backwards, now that the league will have a whole season of tape on Cassel.
     
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    It is pointless to even debate it! We have the most generic offense in the league, its not as if we had a record breaking offense around here or anything...:rolleyes:

    I believe the TD drive in the Buffalo game was one of the greatest sequence of plays I have ever seen called. It was brilliant, so it must have been BB calling them. :D
     
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