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    A relevant question regarding the future of Cassel is how many teams might bid on him, whether as a free agent or through trade?

    The second part of that question is, of course, on how many teams would he be an upgrade?

    A quick look at the 31 other teams, in descending order of QB rating through 12 games:

    Dallas - Romo
    San Diego - Rivers
    Arizona - Warner
    New Orleans - Brees
    Miami - Pennington
    Tampa Bay - Garcia
    New York Giants - Manning
    Atlanta - Ryan
    Green Bay - Rodgers
    Houston - Schaub
    New York Jets - Favre
    Washington - Campbell
    Denver - Cutler
    (New England - Cassel)
    Indianapolis - Manning
    Buffalo - Edwards
    Philadelphia - McNabb
    Chicago - Orton
    Jacksonville - Garrard
    Baltimore - Flacco
    Tennessee - Collins/Young
    Carolina - Delhomme
    Pittsburgh - Roethlisberger
    Kansas City - Thigpen/Huard
    Minnesota - Frerotte/Jackson
    San Francisco - O'Sullivan/Smith/Hill
    Oakland - Russell
    Cincinnati - Fitzpatrick/Palmer
    St Louis - Bulger
    Cleveland - Anderson/Quinn
    Seattle - Hasselbeck
    Detroit - Culpepper/Kitna/Orlovsky

    Teams in bold = might bid on Cassel.

    Excluded:
    Oakland - while a clear upgrade, they probably financially cannot quit on Russell yet.
    Baltimore - Flacco looks like a good developing QB
    Cincinnati - obviously an injury issue to Palmer

    Questions:
    Philadelphia - too soon to move on?
    Buffalo - expensive for a limited upgrade over Edwards
    Miami - good season from Pennington, but aging and risky
    New York Jets - does Favre retire? would Mangini want ex-Pat Cassel?
    Tampa Bay - time to bring in the future?

    That yields 12-14 teams that might be interested, based on the numbers and the context.
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    I think he'll end up in Minnesota or Tampa Bay. The Latter would make the UK mighty interesting.
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    I think maybe Arizona might consider him. Warner is close to the end of his career. and Pete Carroll did say that Cassel and Leinart were neck in neck when competing for the starting job.
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    Leinart is under contract for about 6.75 million, qb controversies are not usually a good thing.. Cassell will demand more.
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    MN would be the best place on that list
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    houston, wash and philly should be in bold as well...
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    With all due respect, nobody knows what Cassel's looking for. Even Adam Schefter's "Rodgers-type deal" claim is, if you read it carefully, nothing more than speculation on his part.
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    The Redskins might kick the tires, but I think they're satisfied with Campbell.
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    There has been some speculation that Matt Hasselbeck might be cut at the end of the season. Not sure how accurate that is though.

    Dr. Z is best football writer of our time - Peter King - SI.com

    "I keep hearing the Seahawks might be thinking of letting Matt Hasselbeck -- with a very manageable $9.95 million, $9.45 million and $6.75 million cap number for the final three years of his contract -- go. If they do, they're nuts."
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    Unless he leads the Pats to the Super Bowl, I still think he stays here. The Pats offer him above average QB money with the knowledge that they are set at QB for the next 10 years. He knows that there isn't another team he can go to and be as successful in year one (and probably not year 2 or 3 for that matter) as he has been with the Pats because he knows the system here and is surrounded by talent.

    Let's ask the question another way. How many teams would Cassel sign with? Unless his plan is to cash in on one contract and become just another "he had a good year as a backup qb on a talented team", he needs to look for - 1) Stability in the organization (management), 2) A solid OL, and 3) Quality receivers to whom to throw the ball. Which of the above teams that might be interested can offer him that?
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    So, in other words, because he presumably won't have it as good as he's had it here, he'll just willingly accept going back to being Brady's backup? Given what we know about Cassel, why would you think that? :confused:
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    Because he chose to sit behind 2 Heisman winners at USC instead of transferring to showcase his talent to ensure his being drafted as an NFL QB. Let's face it, if the Pats don't take him, he may not even be playing football right now. It's his college decision to sit and not make being a starting QB in the NFL a priority that makes me think that for good money, he'd do it again.
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    That's a good thought. He also never had a chance to play to make a decision like he has to after the season. The patriots will offer him good #2 QB money, and I would not be surprised if he takes it based on your point. One thing is for sure is he can't use the excuse he needs to feed his family as they are all professional athletes themselves.
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    Yeah, but while he sat at USC, he also played baseball. There's no such opportunity for him to do something else while backing up Brady.

    And yeah, he might not have it as good anywhere else, that hasn't stopped most backups from taking the chance somewhere else when given that opportunity. Players want to play, not sit on the bench.
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    Wake up guys. Some team will take him next year, you can bet the farm on that. He has done a solid job so far this year. Dont even bring up "Look at the weapons he has". What has Fitzpatrick done with Houshmensadah and Ocho Cinco? There are other QB's out there that are doing worse with just as much talent around them. Also, did anyone expect Cassel to perform this well considering not starting? Coaches know more than we do and they know hidden talent. He was drafted for a reason. He will improve over the years as he has done since the beginning of this year.
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    its been such a crazy season. finally the talk about trading Brady ended this week, but i can see Cassel dominating the next 4 weeks, throwing around 300 yards in each with 2 TDs each and people start getting crazy around here again
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    Miami has Chad Henne waiting in the wings, he's obviously the QB of the future for them. They will hold onto Pennington until he is ready.

    Tampa Bay would be an interesting choice because Gruden is a QB collector, but I still think the serious bidders will be Kansas City, Detroit, and San Francisco. I would be suprised if SF gambled another high pick on a QB, and they have no prob throwing around free agent money, as they did for Nate and Tully.
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    I think the Titans is the best place for Cassell to go. Winning environment; good team; hungry team. Everything is in place for him to succeed there.
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    Except WR to throw to. :rofl:
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    He stayed at USC for two main reasons--(1) because he wanted the education he could get there, and (2) because he thought that he might take over if Leinart started to struggle. Neither of those are factors here--he's not taking classes, and the only way that Cassel will ever see the field is the result of injury (and let's not forget that the Pats drafted O'Connell for a reason).

    Also, just to correct a point--as various articles have pointed out, if the Patriots hadn't drafted him, he would have either joined his former coach Norm Chow at Tennessee or his former roommate Carson Palmer in Cincinnati.
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    Well, not EVERY position is stacked; however, they do own the #1 seed in the AFC and Cassell might very well be an upgrade over their aging journeyman QB.
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    That's right - I've seen statements from Chow that they were prepared to pursue him as an undrafted player at the end of the draft.

    The irony is that, under any of these alternative scenarios, Cassel would be starting this year.
    In New England for Brady due to injury.
    In Tennessee for Young, due to performance, after frustratingly being surpassed once again for, this time, the Heisman runner-up at QB.
    In Cincinnati for Palmer due to injury.
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    You mean after Sundays Game? not many...lets hope Matt Cassel run the table and beef up his stats mostly in a win...then i'll get back to you. You are as good as your last game in this league.
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    No wonder everyone wants to trade Brady
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    thigpen seems to be playing good enough to win that job in kc for 09, good list though

    i can't imagine any of them bidding on a player that's been franchised, from a team who is known for having players leave their system and then go on to suck wherever else they play
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    Any GM who thinks that way when evaluating talent deserves whatever misfortunes befall his team.
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    #50 Jersey

    You can remove Jacksonville (gave Garrard a good contract), Cleveland (Anderson/Quinn) and KC (Thigpen/Croyle). Philadelphia is very high on Kevin Kolb and they plan on moving to him. I don't see Buffalo changing from Edwards.

    I think that Tennessee is a bigger question mark Than Buffalo, Philadelphia, or Miami, honestly.

    So, I legitimately see 9 teams who could go after Cassel's services.
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    Umm.. The WRs they have in Tennessee are no worse than the WRs that Brady had to throw to during the 2001 season. And Tennessee has a better running game than the 2001 Pats did.

    Also, Cassel is a much better passer than either Young or Collins. He'd be a significant improvement in their passing game.
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    he is a better passer but not a better QB.........cassel has outstanding mechanics, but poor vision and instincts
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    No offense, this is kind of delusional. You can't just look at a guy's name and say "Eh, he's not that good, that team's a possibilty." Cassell is not appreciably better (or at all) than guys like Orton, Thigpen, Delhomme. This isn't Madden 08 or Fantasy Football where you just sign any guy who's even a minor upgrade at any position.

    At the absolute maximum, there are about 10 teams. If you eliminate the teams with solid but aging QBs (TB, Mia, etc) it's more like 5-6. In reality, I think there will be three teams with serious interest in signing Cassel to be their starter on Day 1: Detroit, STL and San Fran. Maybe Minnesota.
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