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    #87 Jersey

    From January:

    Obama Urges 'Civility' in Public Discourse - NYTimes.com

    Hoffa has declared war and Biden is talking about barbarians ...

    Sounds civil to me in regards to politics of old ... or is old the new or are they all the same. :blahblah:

    Then again the conspiracist in me thinks Biden fires up the base
    guerilla warfare style and gets canned for Hillary ... all planned of course. :D
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    As we know the call for civility was a call to stop people from questioning their policies nothing more. For them this is business as usual.
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    The shills for the corporatists, the tea party, does not understand civility.

    All they understand is a good bytch slap... anything less confuses them.

    They have morphed into a group of bottom feeders, who live by the mantra that anything that Obama, Reid or Pelosi does is bad.. whether it is good for this country or not.
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    We have a winner and this coming week will be MOTS...more of the same.
    1) Thursday night's speech will excoriate Congress for opposing his policies to spend more money ( read another stimulus) saying that "Congress just needs to get on board" when in fact, the people spoke last November and they don't want to go deeper in debt. Keep in mind, this President, even when in the Illinois State House has never had to negotiate with members of the opposing party like Reagan, Clinton and W. (as Governor and President) did before him. You can't bully them, especially when they are in the majority.
    2) Next Sunday on the 10th anniversary, the President will be speaking at all 3 locations, WTC, Shanksville and the Pentagon. Am I alone in believing that the words " radical Islamic terrorists" or "Islamic Jihadists" will not be spoken at any of those locations?
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    Now I don't care about what political speech people use, freedom of speech and all that. I do take note of the hypocritical actions of Obama and his cohorts here. They self righteously call for civility from others and never practice it themselves.

    The Union leaders have always used violent imagery. Hoffa must be talking about public employee unions since AFAIK the Tea Parties haven't commented at all on unions associated with private companies.
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    Contrast that with the comment from Palin (a Tea Party Leader) this weekend at the Tea Party rally she spoke at.

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    The crackhead in chief is too gutless to stand up to his union masters.

    Just more politics of hate and destruction from the left. Did anyone expect anything different?
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    But, of course, you know that this was edited... the actual quote was.. it was not a call to violence, but a call to exercise your rights at the ballot box.

    The right wing thought police, have edited once again, a clip that is taken completely out of context and will be repeated over and over and over again, and will become sometype of historical declaration.

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    So the America voting public on the right are sons of b1tches :confused3:

    The context is irrelevant
    ... Obama called for civility and the above term and the term of taking people out are anything but civil. Now if Obama wasn't there it would be one thing, but he was and if he doesn't respond appropriately then it is a further stain on his ability to lead.
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    The context is indeed relevant as the Right Wing Ministry of Propaganda, Fox News, deliberately edited the speech so those who do not question will just follow along.

    Their intent was to demonstrate that Hoffa was advocating for violence, when he was advocating for voting out politicians..

    The elected officials on the right who want to keep down the working man are sons of bytches.. not the voters.

    The right wing thought police do not want viewers to think, just react to their propaganda...
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    Obama and people like him didn't even want to call them "terrorists" The rotten NY Times said "they should simply be called Hijackers"

    Let this lousy president and those like him tell all that left wing liberal bullsh!t to the relatives of the people who were roasted alive and crushed to death on the morning of 9/11.
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    >>>>Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back, and we keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a *****es out and give America back to an America where we belong. <<<<<

    He could have said " vote them out" rather than " take (them) out". They have very different meanings with the 'take them out" have a connotation referring to death, whether meant euphemistically or not.
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    Spinning Hoffa's comments as being civil is pretty funny and pathetic.
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    ...and to be expected.
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    Could you please show where the word civil was used???.. somehow it escapes this viewer...'

    But if you folks are content with the ministry of propaganda sanitizing the news for you, please do so. Most folks tend to be more inquisitive.
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    This thread is about Obama's call for civility in public discourse, and the actions of his minions and supporters. You objected to the characterization of Hoffa's remarks as uncivil, no one say he intended violence (in spite of the Teamsters history of violence and associations with organized crime).

    You impassioned defense and attack on media reporting these uncivil remarks can sensibly be seen as defending Hoffa's statements as being civil.

    Or perhaps you have no idea what the thread is about and was just regurgitating stuff from a lib blog?
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    How very civil of you. You much be one of them compassionate liberals.


    p.s. I was always told that someone buried Hoffa under Giant stadium. Who's this new guy. :confused: Damn, when they call it the family business, they really mean it don't they.
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    Gotta agree with you on this.

    Hoffa comes from a tradition of punk thuggery. It's how his dad got to where he is today, right? I know cuz I saw it in a movie, but from what my grandfather told me about the Teamsters back in the day, the movie was pretty soft compared to the reality.

    The type of rhetoric Hoffa blasts out is undisciplined, stupid and weak. No one will hear it, least of all Obama, who continues to stand up to the Teabaggers and their super-minority clout in the House. It's no different than the ads with the crosshairs or Teabaggers saying the same things in their speeches. It's wrong and undignified...just like American politics in general today (and always has been, for that matter).

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    I have been a Teamster for over 60 years, I am ashamed of what Hoffa said, I think his father also would be.

    This isn't the America I knew, I will pray for your children they will need it, your Dictator is coming, your Third World Is Coming, your children and your grandchildren will be up sh!t creek, the very first thing your socialist far left wing leaders will do is outlaw the unions and destroy your freedoms, no dictator tolerates "freedom".

    If Islam wins and takes over America you liberals are really up sh!t creek..
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    I'm more worried about Planet X slamming into earth next December. Much more likely than your hysterical paranoia.
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    In a way I don't have a problem with heated rhetoric, people are passionate and certainly have very different views of what the role of government is.

    I do think it shows that Obama's statements earlier this year in the wake of the Giffords shooting about the need for civility were insincere and applied only to his political opponents.

    Great cartoon BTW.

    I was happy to see Palin's comments about not responding in kind to the 'go to hell' comments directed at the Tea PArty and stick to policies and solutions.
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    Are the right wingers on this board -- in light of what we've seen from their side during the first three-ish years of Obama's presidency -- really going to sit here with straight faces and bemoan the tenor of our public discourse?

    The reality is that this type of stuff comes from both sides, and Obama, believe it or not, doesn't have the power to simply stop it all by virtue of making a speech.
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    Obama issued the calls for civility, now he and his minions ignore them.

    Personally I am fine with that, but it shows his statements earlier this year were cynical and insincere.
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    Times change, circumstances change.. what was good then is not so much now. Every day the right wing department of propaganda bashes him on ever media outlet, glad he is starting to show some backbone.

    Nice does not work with the right, they get confused and think of it as weakness.. a good bytchslap works better. Every day the Bachman's, Perry's and Palin's bash him while on the trail. The tea party brings guns to rallies with threatening comments.

    All the while the right is content, like a cow in pasture, with the sanitized version so the lemmings can just follow along. It is ok for Fox News to play this over and over and over and over and over again.
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    Times Change = it is now politically expedient for me (via my supporters) to use inflammatory language.

    When he said it he didn't mean it. He was seeking to silence criticism of his policies.
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    You are a moderator,a person who mediates this board, not someone who inflames posts.. btw the right never stopped doing what they do best, creating the faux outrage of the day,i.e. inflaming every situation.

    Who do you mean by your supporters... HB, Wolfbreath etc.??

    If you want to use inflammatory language, good for you, as it will only show what a complete and utter fraud you really are. And why you should not be a moderator..

    Your response implies intent, so anything you follow with has been carefully thought out and you are responsible for.
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    IOW my posts makes points you disagree with and you want me to not post my opinions, funny you never try to censor Patters opinions. Of course you have a long history in this area don't you?

    You are tedious.
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    Let's ask the ****...err, Koch Brothers:

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