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  1. I blame Welker more for the Super Bowl loss now, than I did after the game.

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  2. I blame Welker less for the Super Bowl loss now, than I did after the game.

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  3. I don't blame Welker for the Super Bowl loss at all.

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  1. NEP4Life

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    All this Welker contract discussion has prompted me to go back and re-watch the Super Bowl 46 catch that wasn't.

    Wes Welker Missed Catch Super Bowl 46 - YouTube

    At the time, I wasn't really upset with Welker, because of the usual cliches -- 60-minute game, team game, etc.

    However, now I've that re-watched the video, I can't help but focus on Welker's non-catch as being pivotal in the loss.

    How about the rest of the community?
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    Was a fairly poor throw and he wasn't able to make a fairly difficult catch, it's sad that some fans aren't smarter than to give into the have-to-pick-a-bad-guy mentality. He came up big overall in the game I thought, one of the better performers. People who point to single plays and scapegoats after games like that are tough to take seriously, especially since if you are going to go down that road Brady made far more mistakes in the game than did any other offensive player.
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    Wish he caught it, but too many other opptys over the course of the 4thQ to blame him for the loss.
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    I can get over lack of execution. It happens. It's not like he wasn't focused enough or didn't practice enough. For some unknown reason, it just didn't happen. It's infinitely lower on my "blame scale" than Asante Samuel on the play that should never have happened. That wasn't lack of execution. That was choosing not to execute at all. It's why I think Asante Samuel is a bum and do not think that Welker is.
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    No game ever comes down t0 just 1 play. it seems like 1 play at a time, but every play for 60 minutes counts towards winning or losing. some just get highlighted morethan others (just ask Bill Buckner, i'd leave Cartman alone).

    on a side note, NEP4Life, what's with all the WW polls?
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    This is becoming downright idiotic now.
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    I don't think about it and pretend like it didn't happen. Rewatchting the video and dwelling on it isn't going to change anything.
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    Man, I was hoping someone would bring this up. I thought I was the only one who noticed that play ...
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    It's a team game. While him missing the catch was a stand-out moment as to why we lost, there were plenty of other plays before that and after that, had they been made, would have made a difference in the outcome too. Welker was appropriately devastated after the game. That is enough for me.
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    Dumb ass thread

    Anyone who blames Welker on the SB loss for not catching a pass that was catchable but not perfect is a full blown moron who doesn't deserve to be a fan of the Pats

    Some forget about the 1,500 yards that Welker caught in the 18 games before that :rolleyes:

    No Welker and who knows if this team even comes close to getting to the Super Bowl

    If you change your mind about a very good player and an important cog on the offense because of one play then you need to take up another hobby because you don't deserve to be a fan.

    Every great NFL player has had more than one bad moment.....I can assure you that.

    We might as well hate Brady too for throwing that pick to Bailey in the 2005 divisional game or the interception to Marlin Jackson in the 2006 AFCCG :mad:
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    I kinda shook it off at the time too, but now look at it as having a bigger impact. Still I rank it below the other **** ups in the game.

    1. Brady's "intentional grounding."

    2. Too many men on the field after the intentional grounding.

    3. The D's general inability to get off the field.

    4. Brady's poorly thrown deep pass to Gronk that resulted in an interception.

    5. Welker's drop.

    If Brady didn't ground it, they scored on the first drive, and still executed the 14-point swing; the Pats would have won that game by at least 14. The Giants forced their will with a grinding offense, but if they got behind early they would have abandoned that approach.

    I nearly destroyed my couch when #1 happened and almost burnt the house down when #2 happened. By the time #5 happened, the game was already closer than it should have been.
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    I know right. Hopefully someone makes a David Tyree thread and we can break down the play whether it was Asante or Rodney's fault. Couldn't think of a better way to spend my Saturday morning
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    A pretty good prioritization of the stupid plays.


    On the specific question though; I have ZERO issues with Welker dropping that pass. I have a lot of problem with TB THROWING THAT PASS.

    We're ahead and our D has had problems and we need to GRIND OUT THE CLOCK and move down and put points up to put the game away. WHY THE HECK ARE WE THROWING A 50yarder into double coverage.

    He just sucked two players deep and we have some of the best short intermediate (TEs) targets in the game; i think someone else was just as open with less ball-flight time for the D to react. AND/OR made use of our pathetically underutilized running game.

    TB & BOB should have moved the chains and kept the ball inbounds.
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    Double coverage? Gronk was single covered and wide open to give us a commanding lead, it was just a terrible throw.

    The Welker play is unfortunate. It's still liable to spoil a good half hour of my day anytime I think of it. I mainly feel bad for Welker, or Brady, for that play, knowing how bad they wanted it, and how routine that could have been had they been on the same page.

    In my head, I replay that and I see either Brady immediately rifle it in and Welker run down to the 20, or Welker adjust, make a smooth transition and catch it in stride and pretty much run it down to about the 10, where we run it in a few plays later - Brady gets his 4th ring in commanding fashion, cementing best ever status, Belichick gets his revenge on the Giants and willed a make-shift defense to a Super Bowl ring, proving to be perhaps his most impressive ring. And then you remember.

    It's annoying.

    But I don't blame either guys for the loss. Or the play. There are a ton of plays to obsess about in that loss if you choose to be the OCD type that I am.

    They both executed at high levels throughout the game, we don't over-analyze the plays that worked.

    No one executes 100% of the time unfortunately, and this huge opportunity unfortunately came at a key time.

    I'm sure they have moved on as professional athletes but I might not until we see some football action again in August/September.

    Bottom line, thanks for ruining my Saturday morning OP!
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    If I was unclear, apologies. My double coverage comment was about the welker play. I never said anything specific about the gronk play; that was previous posters' comments.
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    We probably would have if they won. We'd be talking about how the O-Line did damn good job containing the G-Men's DL and how beautifully executed the 14-point swing was. And if Welker makes that catch, it'd be getting a Manningham catch-type focus. Or if TB makes that throw to Gronk, how awesome that throw was. Or how if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

    But hey, they lost, so every discussion about this Super Bowl will play out this way. Forever.

    You can either avoid the conversation or talk about it and get over it.

    Enjoy your weekend.
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    1.) He should have made the catch.

    2.) You shouldn't have made this thread.

    3.) There should be a temporary Mod-enforced moratorium on new Welker threads that don't have breaking news to justify them.
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    Let us please keep in mind that Wes Welker, even with all of his remarkable talent, is a human being.
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    Where is the 'hasn't changed' option? A lot of things went right in that game and some things went wrong. Had one or two of the things that went wrong gone right, the Patriots would be champs right now.

    One of the things that went wrong was that catch. It wasn't the best throw, but a lot of receivers could have made the catch -- including the guy that didn't. Welker isn't to blame for the loss, but he sure would have gotten a lot of credit for the win if he had made that catch.

    As many times as I have watched the clip, I never think he couldn't have made it. I don't blame him for the loss, but he bears responsibility. Nothing has changed since the night of the game. Still can't believe they didn't win...still can't believe he didn't pull that ball down.

    Had Welker made the catch, had there been a parade, and had Patriots Nation spent the off season talking about that amazing catch and the rebirth of a dynasty, Welker would have had a lot more leverage in his contract negotiations. I'm certain of that.

    My attitude towards the non-catch has not changed at all.
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    I agree that there should be one.

    Unfortunately, I can't edit the poll, so "hasn't changed" has to be indicated in a post, as you have done. :)
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    Blame is a funny thing.

    Do I blame Wes Welker for the loss? No, it was a tough play and he just didn't make it. It's a play that HE usually makes but by no means was a 'gimme'.

    However, do I feel that we would have won the game if that catch was made. ABSOLUTELY!

    Therefore, I'm not sure if that is blame by elimination.
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    one more note....

    Even IF (notice, big if) we all agreed that this was THE PLAY that decided the game, I think most of us can live with the lack of execution of a play of that degree of difficulty. It's easier to take than what the Ravens had to deal with (missed chip shot FG).
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    Changed? No, he should have caught it. it was a poor throw that he should have caught. Do I blame him solely for the loss? Of course not. Brady made a terrible decision on the safety (still cant believe they actually called that) and severely under threw Gronk. They also didn't capitalize on the Giants putting the ball on the turf a couple times and the one time they did it got called back by a penalty. Then you have Mayo completely whiffing on the TD pass in the first quarter.

    That said I'll go to my grave saying that if Gronk is healthy we win that game going away. Same as Brady in 07, that high ankle sprain killed his pocket mobility.
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    Yeah, this is my take. A catch could well have locked up the game. But there were many plays to be made afterward. Just like when the Raiders and their fans complain about the Tuck call -- lots of opportunities to make a play after that.
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    I didn't blame him then, and I don't blame him now.
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    I love Wes Welker, and he is the perfect player and personality for the New England Patriots. I would never blame anyone for losing a game for a physical mistake, provided they were playing at full effort, and I don't think that once in four years has it ever crossed my mind that Wes wasn't going all out. The catch was difficult- he probably should have made it but didn't. There were lots of plays that could have been made but weren't by a lot of players. I'm not 100% convinced we would have won if he had made the catch- we are completely snakebitten against the Giants, and they obviously have the mental edge over us.

    Even if Wes leaves the team now, I'll always consider him a truly great New England Patriot. There is nothing not to like about this guy; he handles himself as a true professional and bounces back up every time. The only real tragedy would be if Wes does not win a Super Bowl ring- lord knows he is among the most deserving players in the league, consistently being one of the best players on field while playing for a team that expects to go 14-2 every year. Those expectations are not easy to deal with.
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    We were up 17-15 at that point. A field goal still makes it 20-15. Welker would have come down at around the 20, so it would not have been a sure 7 points.

    There were plenty of plays that could have sealed the game. Not sure if you can pin it on one admittedly difficult non-catch.

    Let's remember that earlier in the season the Giants marched down the field and scored in the final 1:30 to beat us on our home field, and there was also a game I seem to recall in Arizona where we led by more than a FG in the final minutes.
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