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Has "spygate" affected your enjoyment of the Patriots?

Poll closed May 9, 2009.
  1. I'm less of a fan now than before "spygate."

    4 vote(s)
    2.4%
  2. It has seriously affected my ability to enjoy the Patriots.

    11 vote(s)
    6.7%
  3. It pisses me off royally and I wish Kraft would fight back.

    52 vote(s)
    31.7%
  4. It has been a nuisance, nothing more.

    34 vote(s)
    20.7%
  5. I think it's funny and laugh it off.

    3 vote(s)
    1.8%
  6. I've enjoyed following the Tomase/Walsh/Specter/Goodell soap opera.

    2 vote(s)
    1.2%
  7. I'm a stronger fan than ever, it's us against the world.

    58 vote(s)
    35.4%
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  1. Tunescribe

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    Just wondering how this "spygate" nonsense has affected folks here. I'm personally weary of all the negativity continually heaped on the team because of this crap and wish it would just go away. I have a friend, however, who has been so turned off by it that he isn't even following the team this offseason. What do you think?
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    If anything it's caused me to tune out the rantings and opinions of other teams fans if they show an obvious bias and incapability of simple comprehension.

    But in terms of the Patriots, it hasn't affected me at all.
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    I hate it, but I haven't tuned the off-season out. People are going to say what they want and take advantage of a bad situation. With all the crap talking our fans have done over the past few years, some of us had it coming...but we all take the brunt of it.

    The sad thing about Spygate is the loss of journalistic integrity we have witness both here in Boston and on ESPN and other networks/publications. I don't trust a lot of what is written, and I borderline hate ESPN now.
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    Somewhere between wanting to fight back and it being a royal pain in the ass.
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    It's killed me - just killed me. Homerville will never be the same.
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    I voted for No. 2, not because it has really changed my opinion of the Pats - I still love them dearly and will follow them with as much passion as ever. However, I was disappointed in BB that he would put the Pats in this position, and I am disgusted with the way this has stayed front & center for almost a year now. Following pro football is a means of escape and enjoyment for me. The heavy-handed mishandling of things by Roger Goodell, plus the gleeful piling on and on and on and on... by the media has really been a downer for me. It has, as the poll says, seriously affected my enjoyment of the Pats (much more so than the SB loss, which I got over after a few months). I wish it would all just go away, but it seems it never will as long as BB is associated with the Pats. That is a shame, for the fans, the players and the organization.
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    Multiple choices would have been preferable as one who enjoys the soap opera, thinks it's just a nuisance and feels that Kraft has not effectively managed the PR fallout. I was away traveling so I missed the Tomasse article and all the furor. I don't watch pre-game blather so I only found out about the Tomasse Walsh update after the fact. Well after because at 20 seconds to go in the SB, I shut it off and stayed away from all sports news for a couple weeks. Just had to see all the Jints fans at Disney the next morning wearing their SB caps.

    Also, I never watch ESPN nor do I read the mediots so my blood pressure stays low on the Pats hatred front.
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    It's made me hate the media and fans of other teams more and made me realize how stupid most of them are. It's also made me hate Jolly Roger. Yep, lots of hatred going on here.

    How I feel about the Patriots, though, hasn't been affected - I don't look down on Belichick or feel in any way embarassed over what happened.
  9. Tunescribe

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    Well said, I feel the same way. It's like you can't focus on the team and football because there's always this annoying "but" attached to everything they do. What's most disheartening for me is how inaccurate and unfair 90 percent of the criticism has been and that the Kraft public relations staff hasn't done much to address it.
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    I voted for the "it pisses me off" choice. I think it has been clearly defined that all teams do whatever they can to get an "edge", the Pats just got caught.
    I was really enjoying the manhandling the Patriots were handing out thru the beginning of the season thru the midway point, only wish they could've continued that trend.
    I have been a fan since the mid-'70's. If I have stuck by them thru all these years, this surely is not going to deter me.



    Richard
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    I used to be a fan of NFL history, and appreciated the old heroes of the game, no matter what team they played for.

    After LIEgate, I am just a Patriot fan. I can no longer acknowledge the greatness of other NFL teams and players past and present.

    How could I possibly appreciate teams under Papa Bear Halas, the man who bugged opposing lockerrooms? Lamar Hunt, spy chief? George Allen, spy master? Marty Schottenheimer, camera spy (according to Jimmy Johnson)? Polian who employs notorious spy man Howard Mudd? The SD Chargers, coached by famed spy Sid Gillman, and the first team to use steroids as its official training regimen? The Steelers whose great '70s ground game was fuled by 'roids, as well as its defense, according to Jim Haslett? The Cowboys, coached by spy guy Jimmy Johnson? The Giants coached by spy mentor Bill Parcells? The Redskins, coached by Spy guy George Allen? The Eagles, who shut off the Bears coach to Qb device during the final drive last season?

    etc.

    The whole league is a sham of "spying" and I can't look at any of those old "glory" shots anymore from NFL films. Too much spying.
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    Pony, I just printed that out and am going to commit those examples to memory. Thanks for the ammunition for defense!
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    It's improved my life because I've stopped watching ESPN, listening to ESPN radio, and going to their website, ever since they ran with the walk-through thing the day before the superbowl. They've crapped all over NE fans, probably some of their best customers.

    BB is old school and I like him more now.
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    The only problem with this poll is that all we need is one idiot troll going back to his home board to get people to vote on this. It "should" only be for those who have been members for a minimum period of time.

    We'll have to see how it goes, but there's no way of stopping fans from opposing teams from casting a vote.

    I chose "It has been a nuisance..."
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    All this negative press has done nothing more but strengthen my love for this team. Especially after yesterday where it became apparent that journalists on ESPN and the Boston Herald just flat out do not like the Patriots and continued to spew negativity all over the team despite the fact that the Walsh proceedings pretty much fell flat on their face. It's us against the world now, as my signature at ColtFreaks said.
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    I put "us against the world", but its also been a terrible and draining nuisance. Especially Super Bowl week. Thanks Tomasse!
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    I hope Goodell seals the deal this Tuesday one and for all. 19-0 is what i look for in this season and it is the only way that we can prove to the world that we are the BEST.
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    I stopped caring about Spygate back in September, after we smacked the Chargers and Pats fans showed their love for BB and the team. Honestly one of the reasons why I'm not posting here as much as I used to is because this place has turned into Spygatefans.com.
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    The only real affect could have came about if Walsh actually had any real evidence about the so-called Rams walk-through.

    Other than that, I didn't care since people refused to undertstand the rule and believe Goodell's comment's on the matter.

    Only problem that I do have is the punishment for the infraction.

    Looking forward to a new season but a different outcome!
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    To be fair to Kraft, any attempt to go on the offensive would almost certainly just be adding fuel to the fire.

    I chose "Us against the world"--whereas before, I just wanted the Pats to win, now I want to see them utterly annihilate any team they play; I found the Redskins game particularly satisfying in that respect. :)
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    It pisses me off royally and I wish Kraft would fight back.

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    I'm a stronger fan than ever, it's us against the world.
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    Great poll there Tune.....

    I want this all to be put into the proper perspective (we broke a rule - but all teams gather scouting information AKA steal signals, many just as we did).

    I want the money followed (Comcast v NFL Network).

    I want Spector outed as Comcast's puppet Steagle fan.

    I want TomASSe to apologize.
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    I agree 100%...the superbowl bummed me out most because of the f-u factor for the rest of the league and even more so the other teams fans. I love 'em win or lose, but the STFU factor of those annihilations after the "spying" stopped was priceless. I was at the game in Buffalo when we went to town and "ran it up" and I loved every vindictive minute of it. I only hope we rub it in more this year and shut them down harder on D. At this point, the morons are going to hate us anyway, might as well give them a great reason to hate us (beating the pi$$ out of them every game) rather than a stupid reason to hate us!
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    I agree almost 100% with these two posters (I don't agree about the SB, I am still not "over" it and probably never will be).
    I admit when it first came out and there wasn't any perspective except the evil cheating aspect and no word yet from other coaches talking about what all has been going on for awile for competitive advantage, I was shocked and a bit numb. But as more info came out, I realized how silly it would be to think that they actually could have "cheated" their way to SB wins with what they did. That's what upset me, the thought that the team I loved might not have stood for what I thought it did and might have come by its championships dishonestly.
    But I am NOT saying that they shouldn't have been punished in some way, they were found to have subverted a rule, so I can't complain that they were punished per se. The amount of the punishment had to be extra harsh I guess to serve as a deterrent.
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    It ticks me off, because the drive by media is arse wholes... and they just want to pounce on the pats..
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    To me it has done a few things. It has caused me to take off the "homer" glasses and look at things as a football fan rather than a Patriot fan. It made me look deeper in to an issue that I normally would not have. If I was Seahawks fan or a Saints fan, I would have checked out espn or si and my team's web site, but doubtfully have gone any further.

    What I have discovered, by doing just that, has been very disturbing and frustrating to me. The amount of mis-information and slanted news stories is appalling. It is laughable how the same story can create two polar opposite headlines depending on what source is reporting that news.

    While the rest of the world takes the bait and moans about the decline of western civilization due this transgression, we the public have been duped. Reporters portray themselves as Woodward and Bernstein, and their employers attempt to come across as bastions of truth with no interest in profits but are solely interested in truth, justice, and the american way.

    What is actually going in is anything but that. While I expect slanted political news stories in a two-newspaper town, or when I compare msnbc to fox, that is okay. With sports, I had come to expect espn to have journalistic integrity. Sports fans were going to tune in regardless of what was or what was not going on. But spygate seemed to become the equivalent to crack cocaine to them - and their listeners. After one taste they wanted more and could never get enough.

    If there was no story, repeat an old one. Make it breaking news even if somebody else in the next cubicle had reported it three months ago. Deliver rumors with a stern face and solemn voice as though they were facts. And be sure to make this look as if it was the biggest story of the century at all times. In case enough were not interested, tug at your viewers heart strings by intimating that your favorite team may have been cheated out of a championship. And if that doesn't work, repeat the same story 1400 times with slightly different words from any one of your 142 reporters.

    In other words - just like politics and big business - it's all about the money. It's not who wins or loses, but who has the highest ratings. Spygate is big ratings, and the fact that turning a story into profits rather than reporting on the product of NFL football has jaded and discouraged me deeply.
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    Sports needs GOOD vs EVIL The DOMINANT vs The WEAK

    The last time a Boston sports team was in this position was the Celtics of Russell.

    BEFORE spygate - the media and other teams were pissed that the Patriots "stole" Randy Moss. Their anger was outright or masked partly by hoping he would disrupt the team.

    Spygate just completed the Mossgate.

    My opinion: JUST BLOW THEM ALL OUT BABY. Everyone already hates the Pats so they might as well run up the score all season long instead of worrying about how much they should win by.

    The Evil Empire - I like the arrogance of it.
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    As an isolated issue I could live with it. Circle the wagons and take on the world.

    But when you add up "AFCC Loss to Indy" + "Spy Gate" + "SB 42 Debacle" + "Poor Handling of Spy Gate" = Diminished Bill Belichick in my eyes.

    IMHO, "Spy Gate" will last as long as Bill is the coach of the Pats. It's like when you think of Richard Nixon what comes to mind? Watergate!!
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    Mr Negative

    you forgot the playoff loss to Denver

    13 - 3 any idea of what that represents? Playoff record since 2001. What a horrible coach.

    Nixon will always be remembered for Watergate because that was his Waterloo. (his farewell)

    Belichick can still create and write history.
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