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  1. ALP

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    Its got a lot of rookies, its got a lot of new players....who dont know BB that much

    after going for it on that 4th and 2....how does this defense react?

    BB is a great coach, but how does he keep this defense on his side? He will have to do something.

    I hope he apologized to them after the game, and told them he wont be making that mistake again

    Its not that i didn't agree with the move, I would also go for it on 4th down....I would have ran it on both 3rd and 4th down (instead of doing the shotgun) but thats beside the point

    You lost the game b/c you did not show confidence in your defense.....how do you get them to play for you?

    Sure they faced a top 5 QB of all time, even though....BB has to make amends
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    It's a shame he lost confidence in Gostkowski during that other game. I can't believe he cut Gostkowski right after that game and signed . . . oh, wait. . . .
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    Fine.......

    It was not about the defense, it was about putting the ball in your best players hands, if he made the first down, which many believe he did, none of this idiocy would continue...

    This sounds like Tom Jackson stuff...
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    Why would you apologize when you agree with the decision ?

    Your thinking is a little quirky to me on this. The odds were in our favor of converting, that's really all there is to say or know.
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    How do they react? To the best of their ability. Seriously, this isn't the same team from '03-'04 where they would take it out on the next opponent they'd play. They're thin at DL and don't' have a pass rush.
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    Belichick already told the media what he said:

    "I'm going to put you in the best position to win the game."

    He chose to go with Brady instead of the D. Unless the defense thinks they can make a bigger play than Brady, then how can they argue with Belichick?

    That's what it comes down to.

    Thank god that Tedy Bruschi and Rodney Harrison are not coaches for this team.
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    Yes, I'm more worried about the injuries than anything else.
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    Yeah, I'm much more worried about the physical beating we took than the physical one.
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    Correct. Essentially BB thought his offense could get a couple yards. If the D gets pouty about anything, they'll just have to grow up. I think BB will be able to navigate any emotional issues.
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    emotional, you mean probably.......
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    This is how I look at it:

    BB said (implicitly) "Hey defense, you haven't played well enough for me to give you this responsibility".

    The defense will respond by attempting to play well enough to get that responsibility. If there was a moment that would light the fire under the ass of the Pats' D, it's that moment.
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    These are the kinds of losses that create divisiveness in the locker room and ultimately can rip a franchise to pieces. This is such a young defense and it sends a wrong message to them. What do you tell them in the locker room? Perhaps this will be "that" game the team grows from, but I have my doubts.

    I've been watching sports for a little over 20 years, and I have never seen a collapse of epic proportions like this. For those that watch other sports like the NBA, what happened last night reminded me a bit of Robert Horry's Game 5 winning shot against the Kings, who gave up a 20 point lead late in the 4th quarter. That single shot by Horry ensured a dynasty for the Lakers and sunk the Kings into oblivion.
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    I predict we'll win, but the defense is going to make Sanchez look a whole lot better than he is, just like we've done most of the year to the QBs not playing for the Titans and Bucs.
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    I forgot to add, when does Warren and Green come back? The Pats can ill afford to have this same line up if they meet the Colts or anybody else in the playoffs. In addition, Morris and Taylor's roles will be vital come playoff time.
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    Warren should be back any time, I think he just had a nagging ankle problem, most seem to think Green will be back for N.O. or very soon thereafter.
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    You should have seen the Celtics blow a 35 point lead during the NBA finals one year.

    They came back and won the series.
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    I think that football is a game of adjustments. If you look at the performance from the 1st half to the 2nd half, it's pretty obvious that the Colts made adjustments on D and O that were simply better than the Pats in the second half.

    BB's decision NOT to punt sounds to me like he didn't think he could make the adjustments on D to stop the Colts from scoring on a 70 yard drive in the 4th Q. Huh?
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    This is way overstated--they blew a big lead and lost the game. Plenty of time to recover.
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    You should have seen the divisiveness in the locker room when the Patriots cut a captain Lawyer Milloy. 31 point blow out loss to the Bills. Players "hating" their coach. That team went on to have an awful season after that I believe. :D
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    This has now happened 3 times in 9 games this season. WTF has happened to BB? I almost feel like he gets out coached every game going out of the half it seems. It's like we have struggled all season more in the second half than the first.

    I mean one of the main reasons this loss bugs me is because Belichick and his staff lost to a whole new staff pretty much, in this fashion. That's just terrible.
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    The D had 28 points scored on them at the time making it the most points against them all year. They should be more pissed about that then getting a vote of confidence from BB. I can see where Bru and Harrison would be upset, but they are veterans and deserve a bit more. The D had a bunch of youngsters playing with all the injuries the Pats had.
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    Agreed. My goodness. Got almost 1/2 a season to go.
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    The defense had their chance, they got shredded for two long TD drives already in the 4th ( both under 2 minutes btw ). They had a chance to make a stop the entire 4th Q & failed, they got yet another chance when the Colts got the ball back on the failed 4th down play & failed yet again. Their is no doubt in my mind Indy would of scored if we punted, they were moving the ball at will.
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    Nobody said the season was over. We just know, before we get our hopes up yet again this post season, that this team lacks what ever it takes to get over the hump. They'll continue to come close but fail by inches.

    They'll probably easily win the division, beat the nancy teams like always and fold against the real teams. Not trying to sound negative, but outside of 07' thats how its been since 05.
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    I was offering sanity to bostonia3333 comparison to some of the greatest catastrophies in sports history.

    Even then, why so pessimistic? Every team has problems. Old problems go away and new ones surface from week to week. Can everyone say that Indy will make the Superbowl? They also have had playoff failures every year except one. Their D is a mess. Look at the Steelers problems. Is Cinci for real. Denver is coming back to earth. San Diego is a mystery. Still plenty of time to sort things out and let the chips fall.

    IMO you don't have to be the best, you just have to beat the best when they are not their best and rise to occasion.

    If this team converts a 4th and 2, we are not having the same conversation.
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    Look, I never said Indy is the model franchise. I've acknowledged plenty of times their laughable playoff performances. They're worse than the Pats are.

    However, just like you said. IF. How many times have I heard that the last few seasons? That's what makes winning a super bowl so damn hard. You need a team full of guys able to make those tough plays in clutch situations. The Patriots have lacked the guy to do so on defense for some time now.

    I hate to be pesimistic, ecspecialy with so much season left. However I've seen this film too many times before. the Patriots will rebound, against **** teams ofcourse, than come the playoffs they will **** the bed in the final seconds some way some how. That's just the team they've become. How many times have we been left asking WTF BB or WTF defense? A lot more than anything else sadly. I'm not saying it's over. I'm just saying I have no confidence in this team to win big games.
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    Not attacking you and I am also frustrated that they have not achieved the same level of success as 01-04. My point is that more often than not, teams fail in the playoffs- including the Pats and some out of nowhere team or close to the best wins the SB- almost always.

    [/QUOTE]However, just like you said. IF. How many times have I heard that the last few seasons? That's what makes winning a super bowl so damn hard. .[/QUOTE]

    You hit the nail on the head. Winning the SB is ridiculously hard. But with the Pats philosophy of being competititve every year to be in a position to compete for a title because things happen (like the Colts faltering. Like the Pats beating SD in 2006). I go back to what I said earlier about being the best.

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    I'm not saying it's over. I'm just saying I have no confidence in this team to win big games.[/QUOTE]

    Define big games? Was 2006 vs SD not a big game? Was the AFCCC vs SD not a big game? Was the 2007 Div vs JAX not one?

    I guess I don't put a lot of stock in the regular season. Thats my belief. I think we've all seen too many so-called "sure things" poop the bed in the playoffs...
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    However, just like you said. IF. How many times have I heard that the last few seasons? That's what makes winning a super bowl so damn hard. .[/QUOTE]

    You hit the nail on the head. Winning the SB is ridiculously hard. But with the Pats philosophy of being competititve every year to be in a position to compete for a title because things happen (like the Colts faltering. Like the Pats beating SD in 2006). I go back to what I said earlier about being the best.

    .[/QUOTE]
    I'm not saying it's over. I'm just saying I have no confidence in this team to win big games.[/QUOTE]

    Define big games? Was 2006 vs SD not a big game? Was the AFCCC vs SD not a big game? Was the 2007 Div vs JAX not one?

    I guess I don't put a lot of stock in the regular season. Thats my belief. I think we've all seen too many so-called "sure things" poop the bed in the playoffs...[/QUOTE]

    Big games is games to seal the deal. Again, I'm not saying this team never has any type of success. But really? A divisional playoff game? Big games to me are AFC games that decide seeding, AFC championship, SB, etc.

    In these situations since 05 the Pats have failed at winning those.
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    So a divisional playoff win against a higher seed is a lesser accomplishment than a Week 10 regular season game?

    I don't follow that logic.
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    Who knew Tedy and Rodney were so thin-skinned? And they aren't even playing anymore.
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