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  1. Steve:Section 102

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    Worst record since 1965. 69-93. That is quite literally the worst season in my lifetime, and I am sure, most of you as well. While I suspect this thread will be more b!tching, I would like to see what you guys think we can do to fix the mess.

    IMO, a massive cleanup of the front office is needed. If you are collecting a check now, you need to get your last check and clean your desk out. Larry, Bill James, Ben Cherington, Bobby V, all of 'em.

    Players: If you aren't named Pedroia, Middlebrooks, or Bucholtz, you are on notice. I might give Cody Ross another shot. Other than that, they can all be out of here when camp opens in February. That includes Mr. Me First, David Ortiz.

    It's probably a good thing I am not the owner/gm, because I'd be channeling Mitt Romney, signing checks while saying "I like to fire people".
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    A neutron bomb, build a new stadium, turn Fenway into the new 'New England Sports Museum'. Hire a young manager with passion to enstill that passion in the players and then develop and build.
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    I would not hold any players back, everyone is tradeable.. see what you can get...

    Get rid of Luchino..

    Start to rebuild, imo the slide began when Bard did not want to close and got his own way.. and instead of putting Middlebrooks in RF, they traded Youk because they did not have a position for him...

    When that happened it was just a matter of time..

    BTW Power Hitter Gonzalez wound up hitting 3 HR's for LAD, 297 average.. 22 RBI's and an OBP of .344.

    Beckett was 2W and 3L....
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    who? I am one of those paranoid fools that believes the 80% #'s.
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    i think that just about covers it:rocker:
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    Ok...so they got "their" guy. Now what?
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    time to go to work on the roster...starting with pitching. We need a couple pof quality starters to go with Lester, Buchholz, Lackey and Doubront. I am ok with guys who aren't big names, just solid guys who can actually pitch. I think that is where Tek will become useful right off the bat.
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    this is a big off season for cherington. his moves from last year didn't work out very well. i have my doubts about him.
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    I have no info to confirm this, but I think Cherington is just a puppet for Lucchino et al. I think if Larry told him to put the team in a bus and drive the bus into the Charles River, he would.
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    First, sign Ross and Ortiz and promise a 2 yr. rebuild.

    second, Left handed 1b. Swisher is on the market but I would rather have a short term solution for the next FA market.

    Statistically the Red Sox were 8th in the league in runs, but 22nd in OBP.

    27th in ERA, 23rd in WHIP.

    One starter and push the rest down to RP. Current starts are:

    Buchholz
    Lester
    Doubront
    Lackey. (Oh Gawd...)
    Morales.

    Third, Make a ******* decision with Bard and stick with it. Is he a starter or a kick ass closer?

    Forth, Wait. I want to see what happens with Webster and De La Rosa.
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    Trade Ellsbury in a package for Andrus.

    Sign Bourn, Haren and Sanchez via free agency

    Explore trading for Justin Upton or signing his brother to play RF. BJ might not be the player attitude wise that best fits this team right now but we will need a RF if Ross walks.
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    I would trade Ellsbury in a heartbeat. The worse thing that happened is when he had that MVP type year and instantly inflated his worth. He (and Bora$) want to get paid like the MVP year, but he is nowhere near that type player. He is a 3 year/$18M player that probably ask for 5 years/$100M which ain't happening.

    I would not explore trading for a SS. Iglesias is my guy even though he cant hit. I am willing to bet we can have enough offense to absorb his bat. We need pitching, OF, and 1b help
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    Forgot about 1B, Hosmer or Smoak could be interesting possibilities. Iglesias used to be my favorite prospect, but he just can't hit. I think you'll change your mind after his numerous inning enders.

    Iglesias is a perfect fit for an NL team, I'd love to deal him..especially if Bogaerts can stick at SS.
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    Youk at 1st? If we can get him for short money...
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    I just want pitching... as far as the eye can see.
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    First you have to be patient. The free agent market is just not that good this year. Got some decent prospects in waiting. Little miffed about giving up Kelly in the Dodgers deal but I understand, they were taking all that salary off their hands. Hopefully that De Larosa kid works out in return. We need some more gritty dirt dogs. Hoping there is another trot Nixon like player or 2 just waiting to play ball.

    I'm just going to go to a few games with family, cheer them on and enjoy the environment. My expectations are tempered so it should be a stress free season coming up.
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    didnt the sox give up casey kelly when they traded for agon? is that the kelly you are referring to? i dont think they gave up a kelly to the dodgers but i could be wrong.
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    My bad on that one. Was the Padres. Mind isn't what it used to be. Hopefully Sands and De Larosa work out.
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    de la Rosa is a stud...he will work out just fine
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    Napoli would be an interesting player at first. He seems to rip it up at Fenway. That said, I'd prefer to have a team of athletic freaks rather than sluggers.
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    Is De La Rosa good enough to start next year.

    I know he's just off TJ surgery.

    Very quiet in the market. I hope we see something in early december to make us go Wow.
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    thats not going to happen. i heard reports today the sox are closing in on johnny gomes lmao yup johnny gomes lol. world series here we come:rolleyes::rolleyes:.
    one more year of henry and crew and i predict they sell the team. fingers crossed.
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    No hes not.

    .....and if Jonny Gomes is the replacement for Cody Ross, somehow.... spectacularly, we got worse than we were last year.
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    Imagine paying $5 mill per year for Johnny effing Gomes....a jag that can't hit righties....all because he's loosy goosy in the club house. Give me $5 mill and I'll shoot golf balls out my butt in the clubhouse while singing Sweet Caroline with a KFC bucket on my head and standing on a pony keg of Old swill.
    Imagine 12 months ago they had Josh Reddick on their roster on the cheap....and now the Sux are paying up for the A's platoon guy.
    Remember back in the day when the Sox had at least one must see guy....a guy that you couldn't take your eyes off of....Boggs the hitting machine, Roger pre roids, Pedro, Manny....even Nomar....must see TV. Now I get to look forward to seeing which inning John Lackey implodes in ......1st or 2nd.
    Can't wait to see the pitcher that Carmine spits out.....maybe a Livan Henandez or a Jamie Moyer

    And here's a little nugget I poached from SOSH...
    "In 3,500 career innings in the outfield, Johnny Gomes posted a UZR of -37, which translates out to -13 runs per full season. DRS rates him even worse, coming in at -50, as does Sean Smith‘s Total Zone. Gomes is basically as bad as an outfielder can possibly be while still being considered a passable part-time player at the position."

    Yes....Sux rockin the off season
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    I'll start a collection.

    will you do it for a twenty?
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    Do the Red Sox have a 1B yet?
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    How about a bull pen?
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    Looks like Napoli is a guy that wears down pitchers by seeing a lot of pitches. I haven't found any stats on his "pitches seen per at bat", but what I am reading, he's cut from that mold. That's good news.
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    I found this:

    "...Ross (4.26 pitches per plate appearance), Gomes (4.03) and Napoli (4.41) all rank well above the major league average of 3.82..."

    Winter Meetings thoughts on Mike Napoli, Angel Pagan, R.A. Dickey - Tom Verducci - SI.com

    But unless he takes to Fenway or reverts to 2011 form, he's nothing exciting and could wind up being a big disappointment -- he's a slugger who can't run, has no natural position, has never played many games (partly due to being a catcher) and is north of 30.

    Fine for a stopgap signing, I suppose, as I don't think he'll be taking ABs from anybody promising? And if he's got character and work ethic (I have no idea whether this is the case), a good guy to be around any younger players who make the club.

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