Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Marko, Nov 14, 2008.
Franchise tag is out of the question!
i dont think Cassel would WANT to go to the jets
hell be getting a lot of offers, i doubt the jets offer would be that much more (especially w/ their salary cap woes)
he would not want to face Brady two times a season...
i say hes smart, parts with the pats and BB in the opposite manner of mangina, and goes to the NFC
I don't know about that he'll go where the money is, and where he thinks he can win! What NFC team needs a QB that can win, the Lions? Maybe the Vikings, or Bears.
honestly? the Panthers...
they are a good team, young, they hvae all the parts...but delhomme is getting older, and he sucks...
if the panthers were to get matt, they could be a top contender in teh NFC (more so then even now)
Just talking in these terms is mind-blowing. Cassel is a legit starter unless he is excelling only in the system and not on his own.
I could see the Jets making a run at him. We may have to pull a Theo Epstein and do something to drive up the price and give the Jets the biggest cap hit possible.
Teams Cassel could be playing for next year:
SF, SEA, DET, MIN, TB, PHI(i think the Mcnabb era FINALLY is over)
NYJ and MIA are not out of the question
I think Thigpen's play in KC has eliminated the Chiefs from Cassel's list
I'll take a wild guess and say that Cassel is either a Niner or a Buc next year. I think the Lions are too dumb to take him. The Eagles will be very interested, although I'm not sure Cassel will want to deal with the Philly media
As long as Schottenheimer is the OC... no worries if he does.
If you think Favre is going to retire, and stay retired I've got some history to teach you.
LOL He'll tie up $12M in cap at least through June...
If Cassel is getting that kind of buzz come February he will net us picks. I don't know why people struggle so with the concept. He's either that good or who cares who gets him. I really think those who struggle with the concept are conflicted and just fear anyone going to "the enemy" while they still struggle to admit Cassel isn't really the prospective Walmart employee they all pronounced him in August after all...
How do we get any real picks (not compensatory) we can't franchise him because we'd have to pay him the average of the top 5 QB's. I don't get the rest, ie transition etc.
tag him, trade him. we dont owe him anything but signing bonus, which i wouldnt think there would be any in this situation.
I agree. He'll be franchised. Would you want a rookie or Cassel. He has Pro experience and very little wear and tear. OTOH, you can pay 60m for a rookie.
He'll need to continue this level of play. I see no reason he'll fall back. When you think about it, after the Grier Era, the front office is spectacular. A 7th round pick and some trust/patience.
There is no money exchanged when you tag a player unless he plays under the tag...which he wouldn't since the team we trade him to would sign him to a long term deal for a little more up front money than the tag (which is why he wouldn't sign the tag pre-emptively, either - he wants to start for his own team on a long term deal and have a career as a starter).
I knew you'd be along soon enough to explain it better.
If I were Matt Cassel I would be interested in getting as much money as possible while going to a good team. If I were Matt Cassel I would want my new team to be in the best place possible to surround myself with talent. That is, I would not want my new team to trade for me because I want my new team to have all of its draft picks.
Therefore, I would employ the following tactics.
If the Patriots tag me, I would hold a press conference stating that I have appreciated my time with the Patriots and that I have benefited greatly by being on the Patriots. But it is time for me to move on. I will like to be a winner. I can better my chances of winning is by not helping the best team of the past several years get more draft choices as Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick are among the league's best, if not the best, in drafting. Therefore, I will not agree to a trade until after the 2009 draft and if the Pats have not rescinded their tag I will sign the franchise tender the day after of the draft and play for the Pats during the 2009 season. I am hoping this declaration will compel the Pats to rescind their tag so I can move on.
Can the Pats afford to have over $29 million in cap space tied up in two QBs during the first several weeks of free agency???That is THE question.
After this game, this is the first time I legitimately am thinking the Pats may franchise Cassel and trade him. This is the type of game that makes GMs do stupid things to get a young QB (for example Matt Schaub after one game with the Pats or Rob Johnson after a couple of good games). Cassel answered a lot of questions tonight. Can he play from behind and get his team back into the game? Can he be more than a game manager and air it out? Can he lead the team on a crucial drive at the end of the game? The answers based on last night are yes, yes, and yes.
Cassel probably won't have another game like this again this season, but if he has another 300 plus yard game or two or more there will be teams lining up to sign him. I think the Pats could get a first for him in that case.
If the Pats just let Cassel go, I think Cassel goes to San Fran. He is a California boy and a 49er fan.
One tiny problem: If he's tagged, I'm not sure he actually has a say in the matter.
This is a probable scenario. OK PATs may not get a draft pick this year but
if a trade is worked out after the 2009 draft, PATs may get draft picks in 2010. Also another benefit for the PATs is by having trading rights they
have a say in which team they trade with.
Also one disadvantage for Cassel in holding out until AFTER the 2009 draft
is some teams may solve their QB issue by drafting a QB. This would
limit where he might end up.
I think best thing for PATs and Cassel is to come to some mutual beneficial
agreement before threats and statements are made public.
Let Cassel go if he wants to. He won't find a receiver like Moss or Welker on any other team.
Cassel does have a say in the matter. If he is traded without his agreeing to the trade, he can sign the franchise tag immediately and gain immediate leverage in all contract talks with his new team.
No team is going to trade for a player without talking to Cassel. After hearing Cassel's speech the other 31 teams can talk to Cassel, find out his contract demands, and if his contract demands are agreeable, wait until the Pats rescind the tag to sign Cassel without giving up a draft pick.
But can't the Pats work out a trade without Cassel signing the tender anyway? I thought this was the case as we discussed this scenario during the Asante holdout. I don't think Cassel is going to care much if the Pats get compensated with draft picks or not, he probably - like the rest of the sporting world - just wants to know he has a paycheck.
Tagging Cassel is a public statement by the Pats that they want to control where he goes. I have no problem with a player publicly stating that he wants to control where he goes. It is fair. It is just business.
im not totally knowledgeable of the way this would work, but theres no way we let this guy go without getting at least a 2nd round pick. we will probably try to franchise him then trade him eaerly in the offseason
It would be within the rules for Cassel to talk to a team and come to a mutual agreement on contract terms and for that team to then wait for the Pats to rescind the offer. A gamble but if the Pats are willing to tag Cassel at that high price that says something good about Cassel to other teams.
i think the cassel situation is differnet than Asante because we promised not to tag him
If Cassel is about the paycheck and he is traded to another team without his signing the tender, then his next logical step would be to sign the tender and gain the upper hand in contract negotiations with his new team. I just do not think that a team would trade for Cassel without him agreeing to a contract with them.
But hypothetically, something could be worked out in the advantage of both the Patriots and Cassel without him ever signing the tender, and the Patriots - even temporarily - allocating 14 million to him? The team would have to agree to a contract w Cassel, the Pats would have to agree to terms w the team in trade, and Cassel would have to cooperate and be OK with the team to which he was being shipped, and the contract he'd receive.
The one thing going for the Pats is that the 49ers would be one of the most likely trade partners in a tag and trade situation. Cassel grew up a 49ers fan. He might not be opposed to a tag and trade if the Pats speak to him and say they will do the best effort to get him to a team of his choice most notably the 49ers.
The Patriot way would be to keep Cassell and trade Brady to Brady's hometown 49ers, thus repleshing the Pats with high picks and perhaps Willis.
Cassel will sign with a team several months before Farve decides if he is returning to the Jets next year. No worries.
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