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    How bad is Eli Manning, now completing his 4th season in the NFL?

    Eli has the lowest completion % of any starting QB in the NFL (55.3%).
    Eli has the highest interception rate of any starting Qb in the NFL, except Vince Young and Tarvaris Jackson (3.8%).
    Eli has fumbled more than any player in the NFL, except John Kitna (12).
    Eli has more fumbles + interceptions than any Qb in the NFL (31).
    Eli has more INTs than any QB in the NFL (19).
    Eli averages the fewest yards per attempt of any starting QB in the NFL (6.21).
    Eli has the lowest passer rating of any starting Qb in the NFL, except VY and Tarvaris Jackson (70.9).

    Eli has done all this with a great running game.
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    What a huge waste of picks and money to get this guy.
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    Dude I got to post this on the giants board lol, thanks for an excellent research, I never botherd looking that punk up
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    His receivers haven't exactly been helping him out recently. That being said, he is still pretty lousy, especially for his fourth season.
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    He sucks in bad weather. Badly.

    In September and October in his career he has 40 TD and just 22 interceptions. His QB rating is close to 90. When the temp is above 70 degrees his career QB rating is like 95. They showed the stats here all week on local television

    Eli has been excellent in the 1st half of seasons every year, and when the wind starts kicking up, and the temps drop, so does his level of play. He doesn't suck. If he sucks so bad how can you explain his first half success over the past 3 years? Flukes? No, I dont buy that, its just not logical. Eli Manning just sucks in bad weather. Thats definitely a concern because there will be bad weather playing in the northeast every november/december/january. He has to find a way to play better in it
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    Maybe he could just move to a dome team like his brother. :D
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    This is HILARIOUS.
    The dumbass and his dad shouldn't have forced their way out of playing for San Diego.
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    He probably would have been better off there from a statistical standpoint, no doubt about it

    Im not making excuses for him. Theres no excuse to be as bad as he has been in bad weather. Im just offering an explanation. And it rings true. He absolutely blows in bad weather, and hes been excellent in September and October. Not just good, but excellent. Through the first half of every year hes been a legit pro bowl candidate, and then hes fallen off a cliff. He doesn't just flat out blow as a QB. If he did he wouldnt have had so much success in his career in September and October. He would pretty much suck all the time
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    You mean to tell me he has a lower QB rating then Alex Smith?!?...Wow....
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    the Giants should sign Jake Plummer to make Eli look better
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    In order to qualify for NFL Qb rankings, a player must throw an average of 14 attempts per team's game played. Alex Smith did not qualify due to his injury.
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    I was listening to WFAN last night en route to visiting family for the holiday and the host plus a bunch of callers were moaning about how Eli has regressed and the Giants made the playoffs in spite of him. He's not too popular in the Big Apple.
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    Not for SD. Smith turned him into 3 All Pros , Kaeding, Merriman and Rivers.....Okay 2 All Pros and one ' how the heck did he get in the Pro Bowl?"
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    This town also roasted Phil Simms in the first 4-5 years of his career, and all turned out well

    And for the record, in Simms first 4-5 years, he could not hold Eli Mannings jock strap. Eli is Peytons brother, he was the top pick in the draft, and he plays in the #1 market. You can imagine all those factors hold him to an entirely different level of expectations then just about any other QB in the league. Hes probably the most scrutinized QB to ever play in the NFL
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    I watched Eli play in college and have followed him in NYG, waiting for him to make the leap, mostly because I want him to make his brother look bad, but also because, in spite of meathead fans like you, the Giants are an adopted NFC team for many older New England football fans. Suffice to say, Eli is not showing the ability to become a top-flight NFL starter. He is consistently inconsistent.
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    Rivers isnt any better then Eli

    Merriman is a roid head who wouldnt even have been on the Giants radar because he doesnt fit in a 43 scheme

    And Kaeding has already cost the Chargers a playoff game because he couldnt make a 40 yarder against the Jets
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    This is not a realistic statement.
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    worst qb in the nfl and im a giants fan

    and im dead serious
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    Thats definitely a reallistic statement

    Combine all the factors in his entrance into the league, and no one has played under a bigger microscope. He was the top pick, he told SD to go screw themselves, he plays in the biggest media market, and his brother is on his way to owning every career passing record imaginable.

    No one else even comes close. the microscope he plays under dwarfs that of any other QB who has ever entered the league
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    I don't like Rivers, but over the last 2 season he has outplayed Eli by every meaningful measure of Qb play: wins, completion %, TD to INT ratio, passer rating, etc. Most importantly, despite acting like a jerk, which Eli is not, Rivers plays with courage. If you watched him limp through the Titan game taken numerous vicious hits, you would agree. As far as Merriman goes, you would be proclaiming him the 2nd coming of LT if he played for the G-men. I don't dislike Eli, I actually root for him to do well, since the G-men are my dad's team. That makes it so much worse. But you have to face facts, and not be fooled by a decent game here or there. The sooner the giant front office and their fans realize Eli must go the better the franchise will be. Otherwise you will extend misery out for another 5 years, and then have to rebuild for another 5 years to reach SB nirvana.
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    One interesting point the fans and host on WFAN were discussing last night was whether Eli REALLY loves playing football and is committed to improving. The host -- Steve whatshisname -- said Eli isn't even as good as his father, and isn't much of a leader. The way they typified him reminded me a bit of Bledsoe -- good athlete but doesn't really have that burning passion for the game.
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    Eli isn't the only QB who has only faced pressure. Elway pulled the same crap on draft day and he was a stud in Denver. Brady took the job away from the one of the most beloved QB's in Pats history, the media and entire region put Brady under a microscope and he delivered.

    Eli is a pansy who can't play in non-pristine weather, and who could have played in perfect weather in San Diego if he wasn't such an arse.
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    The truth is, Eli benefits enormously from his family name. If he were not named "manning" I guarantee he would not start another game for the NYG. He would have been benched a long time ago. No Qb with 19 INT, 12 fumbles and a passer rating of 70 in his 4th season remains a starting QB in the NFL.
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    The guy plays every week. Hes played through a separated throwing shoulder, an injury that should have kept him out a month. He played with an elbow injury in 2005. Hes never missed a start due to injury, at any level, high school, college, or pro. I dont believe he doesnt "want" to play football. People read too much into body language. Because hes not screaming in peoples faces he somehow isnt competing. Its all about results. If he performs better no one is saying anything about the gomer pile facial expressions
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    So the guy has the 5th most TD passes in the NFL since 2005 and the team has made the playoffs every year as the starter, but he wouldnt be starting if his name wasn;t Manning? I think thats nonsense. The Manning name hurts him more then anything. Hes held to a much much higher standard. You have people throwing the bust word around like crazy. Alex Smith is a bust. Akili Smith is a bust. Ryan Leaf was a bust. A guy who has thrown 67 TD passes the last 3 years and has taken the team to the playoffs 3 times isnt a bust.

    There is no middle ground because of his name. Either he has to be as good as his brother or he is a failure in manys eyes. He cant simply be a solid QB who has some good qualities and wins games
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    he's bad enough for his team to be heading to the playoffs.
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    You cannot compare the microscope Elway was under to Eli. Eli is playing in the biggest media market. Elway was playing in Denver in the early to mid 80s at a time when the explosion of mass media was not nearly where it is now. And his brother wasnt a hall of famer

    And dont compare Brady and his expectations to Eli. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, If Tom Brady sucked and was out of the league by his 2nd year no one would have batted an eye, and no one outside of the New England area would have come down hard on him at all. He didnt have nearly Eli's expectations
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    Bledsoe was the same way -- played through a separated shoulder, a pin in his finger, etc. He was tough as nails and could fire the ball, but never really had a huge fire in his belly. I'm wondering how much of Eli is about doing what a Manning is "expected" to do. Seems a lot of people in your neighborhood are questioning him on that level.
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    Rivers plays in a different and far more simplified offense. He also has the benefit of playing in good weather basically all the time. Take a look at Elis numbers when the temp is over 70 degrees. They are great

    Secondly, dont tell me about courage. Eli played this season with a separated throwing shoulder, an injury that was supposed to keep him out a month. A game at philly last year Eli gets pounded for 8 sacks and takes the Giants back from a 24-7 deficit in the 4th quarter to win a game. He kept getting back up, and kept on firing

    And Merriman wouldnt have played for the GMEN under any circumstances. Why would the Giants draft a 34 outside LB? He certainly couldnt play DE. Hes a 1 trick pony, he does that trick well, but its not a fit for the Giants at all. They already lead the league in sacks without him
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    The "high standard" he's being held to is not being the worst starting Qb in the NFL. Right now, he's exceeding those expectations by beating out VY and Tarvaris Jackson by an eyelash. Congratulations. I realize you've invested emotionally in this player, but you;ve got to cut your losses. It's like a relationship with a woman: She's sleeping around town, farting under the covers and cursing at your mother, but you're clinging to her out of habit. Free yourself!
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