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How Ayn Rand became the new right's version of Marx

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    Her psychopathic ideas made billionaires feel like victims and turned millions of followers into their doormats

    How Ayn Rand became the new right's version of Marx | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

    How Ayn Rand became the new right's version of Marx

    Her psychopathic ideas made billionaires feel like victims and turned millions of followers into their doormats

    It has a fair claim to be the ugliest philosophy the postwar world has produced. Selfishness, it contends, is good, altruism evil, empathy and compassion are irrational and destructive. The poor deserve to die; the rich deserve unmediated power.

    she explained a philosophy she called Objectivism. This holds that the only moral course is pure self-interest. We owe nothing, she insists, to anyone, even to members of our own families. She described the poor and weak as "refuse" and "parasites", and excoriated anyone seeking to assist them. Apart from the police, the courts and the armed forces, there should be no role for government: no social security, no public health or education, no public infrastructure or transport, no fire service, no regulations, no income tax.

    This is what the 'young guns' of the right venerate.
     
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    Well......If my choices are Marx on the left and Rand on the Right....I will choose Freewill
     
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    Thank you Hunter Thompson
     
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    My bet is that no one talking about Ayn Rand ever read any of her books.

    For the record I haven't read any of her books.
     
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    I prefer Hayek, M Friedman and Von Mises.

    You should give it a try you'd become a lot smarter.
     
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    Do they include a primer on punctuation?
     
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    Didn't help me :D:D
     
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    Are you implying I am not smart enough already? Because if you are, according to WP, that's a personal attack.
     
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    Everybody need to be smarter even me.... that is why I try to read about different things every day. I was just trying to be helpful since your views on economics are so misguided and uninformed.
     
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    Funny, I feel the same way about yours.
     
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    And yet you compare a author of novels to a economic theorist when the comparison is to Freidman and Hayek in term of influence on conservatives.
     
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    Milton Friedman did not save Chile | Naomi Klein | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

    here is a fun article about your 'boy' Friedman, and Pinochet. Since you enjoy reading ALL perspectives.

     
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    And that differs from your man, Ryan, having named the same novelist as his reason for his interest and his entrance into politics, financial politics in specific, how?

    Wrong for me but right for him, is that it?
     
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    If you think that's "noteworthy", you should refrain from posting due to a complete lack of brains.
     
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    Sweet comeback, bro.


    I think one of the main pilars Ayan Rand being draped in hypocrisy is a heck of a lot more that "notworthy". It ends any sort of validation her theories claim. Citing her, is citing a complete hypocrite.


    Fact: Ayan Rand called social programs "Morally Bankrupt"
    Fact: Ayan rand accepted the assistance from social programs

    Conclusion: Ayan Rand is a morally bankrupt hypocrite


    The End


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    If someone came up to you with a gun and demanded 6.2% of what was in your pocket and then offered to give you some of that money back, would you take it? Of course you would...lol.

    That doesn't make you a hypocrite or morally bankrupt just the victim of a crime who is trying to recover what is rightfully yours.
     
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    Thirty years on, Pinera's plan, adapted from the ideas of Milton Friedman, is, along with free trade, one of the two pillars of Chile's success story, surpassing all predictions.

    Pinera's proposal began with scrapping the payroll tax on the country's social security system and inviting all workers to take the money they were contributing and move it into a private pension.

    Workers would be free to choose the fund, how much to put in, and at what age they would retire, with a minimal safety net built into the design. Past contributions would be refunded to workers by government bond. And anyone who didn't like the idea was free to remain with the system as it was. It was a huge success: 95% of Chile's workers chose the private system.

    Pinera told the public to expect a compounded 4% rate of return under the private plan. But as of 2010, the average annual rate of return was 9.23%, far higher than promised.

    By contrast, the U.S. social security system, which today accounts for a quarter of the U.S. government budget, is slated to give retiring workers in the next decade a 1% to 2% rate of return. And those entering the system today will see a negative return.

    Chile's implicit pension debt fell to just 6% of GNP — compared with 100% in the U.S., 300% in France and 450% in Italy, leaving Chile with no net debt.

    Better still, the accumulated savings in the pension funds fueled Chile's spectacular economic ascent, taking real incomes from about $4,000 per capita in the early 1980s to $15,000 today, and GDP to the 6% range most years for nearly 20 years. With that record, is it any surprise that Chile this year earned itself a membership card into the club of rich nations, the OECD?

    The Chilean Model - Investors.com
     

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