How are the 37 ppg Patriots flying under the national radar?

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  1. Ice_Ice_Brady

    Ice_Ice_Brady In the Starting Line-Up

    I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this. Trust me, I'm glad. I hope that no one even utters Patriots and dominance in the same sentence, and I hope the Pats win out yet finish #7 in the "power rankings."

    I just can't understand why this offense is dismissed by virtually every pundit. Don't get me wrong, they are considered to be elite, but we are talking about arguably the best offense in the league's modern history. What's more amazing than their ppg stats is that they've turned the ball over what, 5 times all season? You could easily make an argument that, based on the production and lack of turnovers, this is the best offense of all-time, and that's with some very key players being banged up this year.

    The only reasons I can think of:

    -They don't seem as historically great because everyone is used the Pats having a great offense

    -The 2007 team was more "explosive" and controversial. Randy Moss was a highlight reel, there was novelty, and the individual records by Moss and Brady were more highlight grabbing than a balanced team approach.

    -Last year's Packers also put up a ton of points, and based on the eye test, there isn't much difference (but based on the stats, there is.)

    -Everyone is too focused with their man crush of Peyton Manning that they dismiss that Brady's offense is averaging a full TD more per game- SEVEN points per game! That's the difference between the Broncos and the Bills as well.

    -Given the Patriots struggles last year versus the Ravens and Giants, and the Jets playoff game two years ago, where they looked very average on offense, people assume that this team will inevitably fulfill the same fate.

    As to that last point, I respectfully disagree that it's likely. The 2010 and 2011 Patriots were similar offensively, both great but with big weaknesses. Although Green-Ellis was a good, reliable running back, the emergence of Ridley and Vereen make them much better, as their running game would be pretty good even without being setup with a great passing game. The Pats also have more playmakers, with the re-birth of Edelman in the offense, the addition of Lloyd, and the overall depth. I would also argue that the offensive line is now deeper and more athletic. As you may recall, the Pats had a "big 3" model the last few seasons, depending almost solely on Welker, Hernandez, and Gronkowski for all production while role players would take advantage of defensive schemes designed to shut down those three. I think that some of those role players like Woodhead, Edelman, and the young running backs are now solid starters if necessary, not just guys that benefit from great talent around them.

    Simply put, I don't think the stats lie. The Pats are scoring more efficiently and more frequently than they have in the past, and that's with having ONE game with a healthy Gronk and Hernandez on the field, which is the most difficult duo to defend in the league.
  2. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats In the Starting Line-Up

    I think it's simply the Pats' sustained excellence. They've been doing this so long there's not a hell of a lot new to say. That plus the 3 losses, and the lack of a championship for a few years.

    As you say, it's all to the good.
  3. patfanken

    patfanken Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Its GOOD to be "under the radar". Let Manning, and the Harbaugh brothers play to the media whores. Let the pundits question the improving Pats defense.

    Soon enough the Pats are going to beat the Niners and Houston (albeit in Foxboro) and the jig will be up. Then the Pats will be favored again. You will be happy and I will sad. ;)
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  4. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Honestly? It's because it's not being led by a guy named Peyton Manning. Somehow, Denver's ranked above NE in practically every power poll, even though they have the same record and NE beat them head-to head. Everyone's talking about Denver's dominant D, in which they're giving up a whopping 1 point/game less than NE's supposedly porous one (which has generated 2 more interceptions, forced nearly twice as many fumbles, and recovered over 3 times as many fumbles). NE is scoring 7 points/game more, but Manning is everyone's MVP, and Brady's not even in a lot of people's top 3.

    Everything Manning touches is magnified; Brady and the Pats just kinda plug along without a lot of people noticing.
  5. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae Retired Jersey Club Supporter

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    1. The league and media ballwash Peyton at a level that no NFL player has ever been ballwashed before.
    2. The Patriots being at the top isn't a news story. The Ravens aren't getting much national attention either, for example.
    3. Houston has a better record, hasn't really been as solidly in this position before, and hasn't had the bad defense that the Patriots have shown for most of the season.
    4. The Patriots started out 3-3, with the offense struggling. That set the tone.
    5. Belichick/Brady generally make for lousy soundbites
    6. Patriots fatigue
    7. There's no Michael Vick type of situation with the Patriots. The closest thing they have is the Welker situation, and that fire burned out after Hernandez went down with his injury.

    There are probably other factors, but that's quite a bit right there.
  6. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic Supporter Supporter

    The mediots can continue to rank us #7 after we win the Super Bowl, for all I care.
  7. DocHoliday

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    Sometimes I wish we would pull a 9-7 Giants run
  8. patsinthesnow

    patsinthesnow Supporter Supporter

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    Besides injuries, the Pats also pissed away points to no end in the Baltimore and Seattle games, yet they are still averaging 37ppg.
  9. Froob

    Froob Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Considering all the largely irrelevant stats they throw away I'm pretty surprised it hasn't been brought up once. On a related note, Tom Brady now leads all players with the first name Tom and surname Brady in touchdowns, yards, and wins and the Patriots are the first team to win by 30 points or more on thanksgiving in the meadowlands.
  10. patfanken

    patfanken Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    1. All I could think of when I read this was ......SINCE TEBOW. :D

      But you are dead on with all the other points you made. Its kind of pathetic how the media has declined to the point were stories like Manning and Tebow can command such rapt attention for so long. Are they THAT lazy? :rolleyes:

      Still I'm very comfortable to hide below their "radar" for the next few weeks before the Texans and Niners show up
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  11. voluntarysaftey

    voluntarysaftey Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    The Pats have 3 losses. It will be really tough for them to end the season with a bye. That's why they're going under the radar
  12. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    To have any chance at a bye they need to win out and BAL needs to lose 2 of their next 6 games vs AFC opponents. Their schedule isn't easy so it is possible.

    Getting HFA is a bit harder unless they beat HOU and HOU loses another one to conference opponent. NE would again need to win out but HOUs schedule is manageable.
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  13. Modest

    Modest Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Not only is this team's offense steamrolling opponents while never being completely at full strength, our one critical weakness, the one weak link our chain- our sieve of a secondary- may have been patched up to be at least mediocre with a FA acquisition that didn't even garner that much attention.

    I wouldn't have it any other way.
  14. CityOfChampions

    CityOfChampions Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Because ESPN is too busy trying to pimp out the Broncos. I read today that Peyton is a front runner for Offensive player of the year and Von Miller for Defensive player of the year. The media has influence so many idiots that I've seen a lot of people say that Peyton is playing so much better than Brady this year and that Brady isn't even in Peyton's class when I tell people to look up their stats they're always surprised that Brady is having such a good season even better than Peyton.
  15. Modest

    Modest Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Let'em. Manning can enjoy his MVP that was voted by people sitting in a chair while Brady hoists his shining MVP in the form of a Lombardi that was earned by *****slapping the rest of the league.
  16. CityOfChampions

    CityOfChampions Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    I'd prefer Brady to hoist both. :p
  17. Brady_to_Moss

    Brady_to_Moss Butler Island is here Supporter

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    we are always near the can't talk about us 24/7..need new teams now and then
  18. Finnishfan

    Finnishfan Practice Squad Player

    Your reasons are all plausible, if not even likely, excuses. Except for the fact that they would overlook us because they feel like we will inevitably lose anyways. That is not how the media operates. They play the drums always when they can find drums to play.

    Here are few key reasons as well:

    - Talking heads (who vote for the power rankings) do not watch all the games. They miss a whole lot of things that happen in the NFL.

    - We haven't played newsworthy games that would have drawn attention, until last thursday.

    - We have played two nationally televised games this season, week 3 against the Ravens that we lost and last Thursday.

    - The talking heads tend to start the "number crunching" later in the season, when the playoff picture is clarifying and they turn their attention to postseason and MVP race.
  19. WhoaDirty

    WhoaDirty Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    1. If only this were true, Peyton ball washing has years to go before it catches up to Favre's level.
  20. micronin127

    micronin127 On the Game Day Roster

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    Well... and this isn't meant to be overly negative of the Patriots, but I feel I have to say it. The AFC East should be renamed to the AFC Least. Couple that with the parade of stiffs that we have been beating up on lately and this is the softest 5-game win streak in history.

    I felt awful at the 37-31 victory over Buffalo. I sit corner end zone and McCourty was probably 20 yards from me when he caught the game clinching INT. Buffalo had over 500 yards of offense.

    We are near bottom of the league is pass defense and 3rd down defense.

    What the national media feels, appropriately or not, is that we can really run up some lopsided wins against the league's pathetic underbelly, but in the playoffs defense will matter again. In the playoffs, referees stop calling the ticky-tack stuff and our offense can be slowed down. The Ravens did it last year in the AFC Championship and damn but they nearly beat us except for Sterling Moore swatting the ball out of Evans hands, about 15 yards from where I sit. And then Cundiff choking on that FG. Then in the Super Bowl, when the Giants needed a stop, they got one. When our defense had to stop them, we couldn't.

    That has also been the story of two of our losses this year to Seattle and Baltimore. With game on line, our offense was stopped and our defense could not stop anything. No lead was safe.

    Our base defense can stop the run, but the middle layer is poorly constructed. Mayo, Spikes, and Hightower are all MLBs and of the three Mayo is probably the best coverage linebacker and he sucks in coverage. Spikes is only good shooting a gap as a blitzer. Hightower made Jeff Cumberland look like Russ Francis in the Thanksgiving debacle. Fortunately, we don't play base defense much and almost always put an extra DB on the field.

    Talk about 37 ppg all you want, but we are the modern day Colts, terrific regular season record, but a real long shot to win it all.

    I think that #7 in the power rankings is about right.

    The defense still isn't fixed, though it appears to have better potential than last year.
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