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  1. Fogbuster

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    When, if ever, will it end??? You couldn't write a better script than this:

    [size=+5]Cost-cutting at NY Times, reorganization at WPost[/size]

    Apr 16 04:05 PM US/Eastern

    The New York Times unveiled plans on Thursday to eliminate several weekly sections of the newspaper in the latest cost-cutting move at the prestigious but financially troubled daily.

    The Washington Post, meanwhile, announced a sweeping editorial reorganization at the newspaper and details of its plan to merge its currently separate print and online operations into a single newsroom.

    The Times said it was doing away with several weekly sections "in a bid to save millions of dollars" in ink, paper and freelance reporter costs, absorbing them into other parts of the newspaper.


    Cost-cutting at NY Times, reorganization at WPost

    Oh, well. At least FOX isn't going out of business!!! :D

    I love this so much!!! :singing:...............:singing:..................:yeeha:

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    wow.....

    I think its classless for us to celebrate people losing their jobs.
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    Newpapers are done. You may not like it. I may not like it. But with all the news on TV and the internet, newspapers are irrelevant now. Much like non digital cameras. They had their time, no point lamenting their doom. It is what it is.
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    I don't think anyone disagrees with this. The advent of the internet and the poor economy obviously don't mean good things for print media.

    What's typically stupid of Fog's nonsense is that to him this is all some kind of backlash against the liberal slant by the public right after Obama gets elected. Talk about inventing your own reality. But that's what Fog does, he lives in the world inside his head.
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    Perhaps this is why B Cardin D/MD wants a bailout for their friends in the MSM...
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    ooooohhhhh.......a mind reader
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    What? He's posted this sentiment numerous times in this forum. Take a different angle.
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    Yes, because you're not as predictable as the sunset. :rolleyes:
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    When did I knock him for being predictable? 0-2 for Mikey today:(
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    Then explain what you meant by "Take a different angle."? On second thought who gives a ...
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    I meant that I wasn't "reading his mind" I was reading his posts, so his criticism didn't make sense. Anything else?
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    And here's why you're easily the most loathsome contributor to this forum, you utter fraud. ... It's not just that you're routing for the demise of the fourth estate, thereby rooting for the end result of controlling thought and controlling the message.... It's not just that, for all your theocratic babble about Godliness and virtue and family love and holier-than-thou pontification, you're actually 1) eager for hundreds, even thousands of people being put out of work, and 2) eliminating the only real voice for the downtrodden, and 3) doing away with any real accountability for corrupt police and government officials .....

    No, what makes you so UN-Christian is that you're just such a smarmy dink about it, acting like an snotty 9-year-old, yelling "Ha! Ha!"... You're 60-something? Might be time to grow up, paranoid righty.

    The overwhelming majority of newspaper employees do not have enough political ideology in his/her veins to fill a thimble... We're talking about librarians, delivery drivers, cafeteria workers, billing clerks, security guards, software technicians, ad services reps, design paginators, sports reporters, features reviewers, and on and on and on.... And yet here you are, the alleged forum "Godsman", all gleeful about their potential visits to the unemployment line.

    What a ****

    I have little doubt you quietly like it.

    I'll fill you in once again... Perhaps you'll get it this time: Newspapers all have their own web site!! ... Thus, newspapers as a whole will not die, they transform.... They are not being replaced, they are adapting.... And they remain the best consolidated source for regional/local news, sports, weather, entertainment, calendar of events, and business/retail advertising you can get in any city... Period. ... Whether they put their product on the Web or on paper. ... What's your point?... The source is the same. .... You're acting as if the entire existing print media is being done away with.

    Now, consolidation of newspapers (Newscorp)? Subsidies from ideological billionaire nutjobs that keep certain deceitful news agencies afloat (Moonie)? That's another concern altogether.
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    I didn't say that. I used the example of cameras - we still have them but they're different. That said, many newspaper jobs will disappear because the electronic overhead is smaller than the mechanical overhead. We will still have people writing stuff but the industry will be smaller. Just like we still have people making cameras but the film development industry is basically gone as it's all electronic now.
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    from a few years ago, but quite relevant today:
    Newspapers are dying, but the news is thriving. - By Jack Shafer - Slate Magazine

    Whatever you do, don't mistake the decline of newspapers with the decline of journalism. Much of what we're witnessing is the delayed right-sizing of newspapers and newspaper publisher and editor egos in the multimedia age. Many papers, the Los Angeles Times in particular, are still paying for expanding their circulation areas too far beyond their geographic cores. The closures of foreign bureaus and downsizing of Washington offices by newspapers are much lamented by journalists, but how essential are they in an age when any reader can call up on his screen free coverage by the top U.S. dailies and the foreign press?

    Like the ailing—but much alive—character prematurely tossed onto the meat wagon in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, newspapers are right to shout, "I'm not dead!" In their dying, the best newspapers are plotting—and experiencing—rebirths as multiplatform news companies. They're building out their Web sites, investing in free daily tabloids, partnering more extensively with radio and TV, sending advertiser-supported news to cell phones, and frantically devising business models to make the new equation work.

    As much as people may have given up the newspaper habit, their appetite for news has become insatiable, news companies are learning. The 1.1 million-circulation New York Times served 25 million unique readers in April via its NYTimes.com Web site, according to its own logs. Washingtonpost.com, which serves 80 percent of its audience outside the D.C. area, has made the Washington Post a national newspaper.

    To bring the story back to home, the Washington Post Co.'s washingtonpost.com now employs an editorial staff of 65, and the editorial masthead of its free Express tabloid numbers at least a dozen. These jobs didn't exist 10 years ago, and they just about equal the head count lost in the recent Post buyouts. The changing landscape puts new media in the position of the mortician who said to the corpse, "Sorry, pal, but your dying is my living."
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    Yeah, it was such a bummer when those Nazis were all out of work and had to go that nasty Nuremberg thingie..... so "classless".

    And when the Soviet crashed and burned..... so cheap and classless to let those hard-working KGB torturers and those perfectly good gulags go to ruin. Yep, so "classless". .... Oh, wait!! They haven't completely shut down after all. Makes YOUR day?

    Get a clue, you.


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    Do you ever read your own posts, or do you just shoot from the lip, and ask questions later?? Repeat after me: shoot yourself in haste, repent at leisure.

    You really are a candidate for psychotropic drugs, if you won't even attempt prayer. First you lambaste me for championing such alternative media as The Washington Times, FOX, and even news commentators, like Rush Limbaugh, THEN you go onto Fantasy Island -- that place over by Ideological Lake (of fire) -- and say I'm "rooting for the demise of the fourth estate". :wha:........... WTH ..... :confused:

    Surely the THC you consume has carved holes into your cerebellum --- you cannot even think straight any more. ..... Oh, that's right, "straight" is a dirty word for you.

    Well, you get what you pay for. I know YOU would love to see alternative voices like the WashTimes and FOX, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, etc, shut down and sent to the gulags, but tough shiit for you. Ain't gonna happen. Don't choke on your just deserts.

    The leftist press is going down, crumbling under the weight of their own unpopular and nonviable existence -- they champion socialism, but then demand people earn money to keep their enterprise going .... :wha: -- but the stay at home conservative press is thriving as never before. You want a job? You want jobs for all those paginators, and readers, and pressmen, and editors, clerks, security personnel, etc., and jornos, too?? Then start up (or join) an enterprise that actually SERVES the needs of the people, instead of some smarmy three-card monte lying hypocritical den of thieves and charlatans, like the New York Times and Washington Past are. You limp biscuit.

    "Deceitful"???? Deceitful this, Butthead.

    :D


    :singing:..................................:yeeha:............................:singing:


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    Like the great Darryl, nothing I say ever "makes sense", to YOU. Please. When I explain and give you simple exercises to learn what it's all about, you scoff. :nono: Your bad.

    You cannot blame me.


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    Wow, it classless to think that doing poorly at something for so long won't have ramifications to your company. The grey lady has left the building.

    While I can't say I agree in total with PC post (particularly the ranting part), there is truth when he says that the entire industry is evolving. Newspapers and news organizations are evolving, but the bottom line is GOOD ONES will do well, BAD ONES won't. It's like everything. Those that adapt, survive, those that don't won't.

    As the NYT sinks into oblivion, I won't celebrate it's demise, but I will shake my head and say "it may be a shame, it was earned". When they left new, to side with ideology, it was inevitable and predictable. You can be both, but you have to be careful. They weren’t and they aren't making the transition well.

    Considering the esteem and respect the NYT once had. It’s pretty shocking.
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    What evidence do you have that their financial problems have anything to do with this supposed ideological shift and not simply because of the internet and the bad economy? I know you'd like to think that's the case, but I'm seriously wondering what piece of information has led you to believe this to be a contributing factor amidst two very huge and definitively negative factors.
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    The "didn't make sense" comment was about Tanked's post that I was trying to read your mind or something. Try and keep up.
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    It's anicdotal..... and not just exclusive to the times. Many Americans are turning to alternative news outlets because they no longer trust traditional MSM outlets (particularly print).

    Allowing stuff like this in doesn't help;

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    That's turned a lot of people off, particularly when the shady dealing behind it were exposed.

    Granted, most of there troble is due to a sh!tty business plan over the last decade or two. Their eroding reputation doesn't help.
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    Um no. I was responding to this criticism:

    Saying that I was trying to read your mind by saying that you think the print media is going extinct because of a leftist slant. Again, try and keep up.
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    So no evidence then? Conservatives have been complaining about this bias since before I can remember.
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    Don't see the distinction, but whatever.


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    Go back and read then. The point is what Tanked said "didn't make any sense," I never said that about your post. Not a difficult distinction to grasp.
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    No, I said anicdotal. It's OLD NEWS that credibility in MSM is a HUGE ISSUE (for both sides in some issues).

    It has HURT the newspaper industry harder so far, but it is certainly part of the issue. When the people that you depend on to buy your stuff don't trust you, it's BAD FOR BUSINESS. You'll notice the number of respondants that "believe nothing" numbers, NYT 14% was the highest. Yeah, these are old numbers, but still. HERE is more gloomy news for the NYT specifically from 2008.

    TV is a little diverent, cuz the internet hasn't (until recenty), directly competed with it. It will in the future.
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    Except the print media didn't suffer until the internet took off and now are really starting to show signs of trouble with the economy in disarray as well. The print media was going to have problems regardless of whatever bias you perceive. The fact that you, and people like you despise the NYT for a perceived bias hadn't hurt it up until now. And yet you are trying to say that an industry with the odds heavily stacked against it is dying because of the bias. How does that make any sense? You're just projecting what you want the causes to be onto what they actually are.

    P.S. Your link is not old, it's 2004, and it only shows a politicization of the media as a whole, both right and left (Fox News being the same as the others in that study). I'm not arguing whether there is a bias or not, I'm saying there's no evidence that the bias is the cause of the print media's ills.
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    Ummmm, the NYT has been in trouble for several years. So has the print media in general. The economy is a factor, the digtal market is a biggie to, but they are not the only factors. People distrust them (not just repubs either). Combine that with a ready & cheaper alternative and it deadly.

    If people trusted them more, they might not be in AS BAD a shape. Certainly better than the freefall they are in, which is likely to HURT THEM as they transistion to "new media". If people dopn't beleive their print stuff, they ain't gonna start beleiving it just cuz it shows up on the computer
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    So why hasn't general distrust and bias in other media outlets that are not threatened by the internet and the poor economy led to financial troubles then?

    Your claim that the perceived bias is adding to the downfall is unsubstantiated.

    The thing that Murdoch figured out with Fox News is that people like the bias. He didn't try to hide it, he exaggerated it. And MSNBC has since reciprocated. People seem to find that more entertaining, which is most certainly a bad sign for the public, but it seems to indicate that bias doesn't hurt ratings/circulation.
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