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  1. VJCPatriot

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    They did hit on Revis, Mangold, and D'brickashaw Ferguson didn't they? Outside of that they have a lot of busts. Wilkerson, I hear is coming into his own. Hill looked promising before he got hurt. Keller is good when healthy, but he's not often healthy. Jets have below average drafting for sure, but that's what makes them the Jets. ;)

    To hear the grumbling from Jets coaches at this point of the season, well it tells you that ship is about ready to sink!
     
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    Revis, Mangold, and Ferguson were drafted during the Mangini years. Ferguson is way overrated too.

    Since Rex has gotten to the Jets, they have gone with the philosophy of drafting players who were dominant in weaker conferences or schools who were studs partially because of it and/or guys with a lot of potential who really didn't show much in college. The strategy has sucked for the most part. None of their draft picks have made immediate impact and most never make the impact.

    the funny thing is Jets fans make fun of all the "bust" draft picks the Pats have drafted in recent years, but ignore the fact that they have had a lot of hits. Belichick until last year has chosen quantity over quality (high picks) which have produced some busts (Butler, Whilhite, etc.), but also has produced some home runs (Gronk, Hernandez, Ridley, Vollmer, etc.).
     
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    there but the grace of God go I...

    While I revel in this mess that is the Jets, I think back to not all that long ago that we were the joke. It was us that had a coach leave on the eve of the playoffs (Fairbanks), and one who was pissed he couldn't go shopping (Tuna). We had a WR cut his hand in a domestic before the AFC Championship (Fryar), a TE shake his junk at a reporter (Mowat) and an owner who couldn't get out of Dodge fast enough (Orthwien). All while playing in a glorified high school building.

    When you look at the mess in NY, be sure to say "Thank you, Robert Kraft". :singing:
     
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    After the Jets landed on their butts on Thursday, Christopher Gasper treated us to an article telling us that just because the Jets were publicly humiliated it didn't justify Bill Belichick and the Patriots organization in not sharing their every warm and intimate moment with their friends the local media.

    If every there was an illustration of how terrible performance and drama queen publicity-seeking go together this is it.
     
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    There's a vast middle ground between running a 24 hour clown show and running the Mossad.
     
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    It was The Run Aways. The band JJ was in before the the Blackhearts.

    Great song though. The video clip scared my parents.
     
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    My dad took my brother and me to the playoff game (the first home one ever for the Pats) on New Years Day 1979. It was my first live NFL game. Dan Pastorini, Earl campbell and the Oilers beat the Pats that day.

    I'll never forget the week leading up to that. Talk about a circus! Fairbanks had accepted the Colorado State job (or Univ of Colorado) and when word got out, Sullivan hit the roof either barring him from the facility or Fairbanks fleeing. I forget. It was the biggest cluster$%&^ and I remember HATING Chuck Fairbanks for being such a selfish jerk - - that team was great and they were putting it all together. To this day I have not forgiven him. Just as I will never forgive Parcells. You DON'T do that to a team on the eve of a playoffs.
     
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    We had a bona fide Super Bowl squad in 1975-76...and we were robbed by an admitted bigot from outside Denver Colorado named Ben Dreith.During the 1976 playoff between the Oakland Raiders and the New England Patriots, Dreith called a roughing-the-passer penalty on Patriots tackle Ray "Sugar Bear" Hamilton, nullifying a third down incompletion and giving the Raiders an automatic first down deep in New England territory, which led to Oakland's game-winning touchdown with less than a minute left. Replays showed there was no illegal contact. Partially because of the controversy, Dreith was not assigned to work any games involving the Patriots until 1987.

    That team would have most certainly been favored to win the Super Bowl that year. This is always conveniently forgotten whenever somebody writes one of these "YOU should be ashamed of your Pats like Jet fans should be of their team". I have to disagree. 44 years straight of garbage, topped by two humiliating blastings in the AFC championship game pretty much takes the cake....along with the rubber chicken dinner.
     
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    Ummm......what?
     
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    Thank you for inviting me to join you in a pointless internet punch-up. Unfortunately, I am otherwise engaged.
     
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    No such invitation was extended. It was just a basic response. There's more than one way to run a successful franchise. It doesn't have to be run as if all information is classified at the highest level (Patriots), any more than it has to be run as if nobody has a filter on their brain (Jets). Both styles can be successful, and both styles can be disastrous. The 2012 Jets have certainly been a prime example of how the latter style can become an epic disaster.

    Have a great weekend. :)
     
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    I'm surprised that you still think that. I wasn't a Patriots fan in those days but everything I've read make it sound as though the Sullivans didn't give Fairbanks the support he felt he deserved and that he was more or less compelled to seek a new position. He was going to go quietly: it was only the Sullivans who then suspended him and re-instated him. Or that's how I've understood it.
     
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    There's "not going quietly" and then there is "agreeing to jump ship to another organization the bye week before your team's first home playoff game in it's history".

    That doesn't work on a young team's morale just before its biggest game in franchise history?

    To put it kindly, the timing was problematic.

    I may be wrong - - I was only 13 - but that's how I remember it.
     
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    I understand. But let's say you find yourself doing a good job but being constantly undermined by an impossible boss. Another opportunity arises when things are still going on and people you are responsible for are fully engaged. Do you say "no" on principle to discussing it at all, or do you go ahead while keeping it as quiet as possible but notify your boss -- who, instead of also keeping it quiet in the interests of the organization, goes ballistic and turns you into a public scapegoat? That's how it looks to me.
     
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    I was in my twenties when the Fairbanks incident happened and a season ticket holder.That game was the one where Fairbanks announced his resignation before the game, Sullivan fired him on the spot, but relented when the players went to bat for him. Fairbanks left the field under a shower of garbage after the Oilers came back and won the game thanks to the "fumblerooski" play.

    I try to blot the memories of that regime out of my mind.
     
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    I only know of one way to run a successful franchise for over a decade in the free agency era. How about you?
     
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    The Colts found a way to do it differently.
    The Steelers have found a way to do it differently.
     
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    Yah we got totally screwed TWICE with HCs on their way out just as the team had an opportunity to excel. These horrific experiences make the 21st century SO much better for us long suffering fans. Gawd did i hate Fairbanks and Parcells for how they departed.

    Maybe the Jets fans will get the same reward, say in 2035, but with their luck NFL football will finally be banned that very year for health reasons, banned by all those kids who grew up having been traumatized by dodgeball in grade school.
     
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    I had to stop and think. A great Deus comment, not at all reflecting badly on what you posted just expounding on the point you made.
     
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