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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I know what a zone defense is, and Ellis leaves a very large zone between him and the reciever.
Ellis is just OK, but he souldn't be starting on this team. For years the secondary has been a problem. Either from injury or just bad play. There is a reason Assante became a Pro Bowl player when Ellis started to play regularly. On the play, Ellis wasn't close. There wasn't a whole lot of "zone" to protect and he was still 3 yards off when the ball was caught. Now, you can accuse James Sanders of missing his assignment all you want, the corner fade run by a teams number 1 reciever is a corners number 1 responsibility. If that reciever cuts it inside then the safety might have coverage responsibility also, along with the corner. That little fade pattern was Ellis' responsibility. The Giants ran that play all the time and Ellis had to know it and he still got toasted.
On a last place team Ellis would be ok, on a team as good as the Patriots he proved to be the difference between 18-1 and 19-0.
I don't get this statement. So because you think Ellis is bad the rest of league compared Asante to Ellis thereby elevating to a ProBowler?
By that logic Reche Calwell should have been a pro-bowler in 2006 when we had kelvin kight.
Maybe BB told him to play 15 yards off.
Actually, there are and the Pats defense employs such schemes and strategy often in situations where giving up short completions while forcing the opposing team to buring time off the clock late in a game to protect a lead is called upon.I am pretty sure that there aren't any defenses designed to allow a reciever to catch the ball.
Actually, there are and the Pats defense employs such schemes and strategy often in situations where giving up short completions while forcing the opposing team to buring time off the clock late in a game to protect a lead is called upon.
Said this, I agree that Hobbs is a player and often gets a bum rap from many Pats fans. Understand that even last season, he even lined up on the left side and went up against Harrison against the Colts. He'll get better and make more plays on the ball. I expect he'll step up to fill in for the expected departure of Asante nicely.
Why throw at Assante when you can throw on Ellis? Assante has some talent, Ellis was a young first year starter. So Assante come back this year, has a pretty good year, but most of the big time throws go Ellis' way, and a large percentage of them get caught. I don't like Ellis on the corner every play. He is small, gives the reciever too much cushion and gives up too many big plays. The Pats play a zone defense too much for a corner like Ellis. He can't out jump the reciever for the ball and doesn't seem to play close enough to the reciever to break the play up. I am pretty sure that there aren't any defenses designed to allow a reciever to catch the ball.
Ellis was put in a bad spot. He was left alone on the corner while the team blitzed. That left Ellis alone with Burress, he should have been on top of him, make Ely beat him. Instead he plays off Burress and he gets beaten. Maybe the coaching staff can be blamed, or maybe he was the best of what was left on the team, but he had a bad year. Its really a shame too, we need help on defense but he is still young. After the year he had the team will have to go looking for somebody to challenge his position. With Assante probably leaving that means need multiple new DB's in camp.
I hope I am wrong and his problems were systemic. I not a troll and the Pats are my team, but I can look at them and see the flaws. Ellis had a bad year and if there were somebody better he would have been replaced. There was a period where Randall Gay was starting, then he got hurt. But Hobbs wasn't that good all year, regardless of the scheme, or the type of defense. Belichick didn't win three Super Bowls by giving up big plays in the defensive backfield.
There was one play in the SB where Manning threw a lob to the sideline towards Toomer. It should have been incomplete, but Toomer made the play on it. That shouldn't happen.
http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...rce_hobbs_played_super_bowl_with_torn_labrum/
Say what you will about Ellis but no one can question his toughness...
You mean the play where Toomer facemasked Hobbs to the ground before catching the ball?
Ok, I looked at the play again. Toomer did out-muscle him on that play. You win some match-ups and you lose some match-ups.
Toomer didn't exactly out muscle him he clearly put his hand on Hobbs' facemask and pushed him away while the ball was in the air. Don't want to split hairs or anything
Ok, I looked at the play again. Toomer did out-muscle him on that play. You win some match-ups and you lose some match-ups.
It looked 100x more blatant than any OPI call on Moss that I've ever seen...
This isn't about taking the play back. You brought up the play as an example of Hobbs' poor play and are now trying to change the subject to avoid admitting you were wrong to do so.