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  1. IcyPatriot

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    #87 Jersey

    Hillary contemplating a Ross Perot :eek:

    Never underestimate a scorned woman.:eek:

    Wow ... talk about a game 7 ... that would be the ultimate.:rolleyes:

    Obama vs Clinton vs McCain .... Holy Moly ............ :rofl:
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    LINK??????? or just speculation?
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    You know...that could provide some high, high, damn near transcendental comedy over the summer.

    She'd have to leave the D's...then she could caucus with Lieberman...she'd have to spend her own money....

    Or she could wind up on the ticket with McCain. Now that would be so funny it would probably put me in a coma...so ya'll might want to root for that...:D
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    If so the nightmare continues.. welcome to the white house president McCain..
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    Not happening. There is no way she could get enough votes and would destroy her party.
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    Good question - I guess it would have to give McCain the win but I think Hillary would do quite well and likely beat Obama; as she is right that she did better in the important "electoral college" states.
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    Hillary is appearing today at AIPAC while Obama is speaking. End anyt thought of an independent run.
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    I actually thought of that, but NO WAY. Conservatives en masse will sit out this one (evangelicals esp.). There will already be enough of that already. For many Conservatives, like many central democrats in 04, this vote is gonna be a "defensive" vote. Meaning, you're not crazy about the candidate, but they are better than the alternative.

    That's a pretty delicate balance. Putting Shrill on the ticket, might switch over 10 million undecided voters, but it's overall loss if it causes 10 million and 1 to stay home. WAY TOO RISKY IMO.
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    My guess is she "opts out" quietly, not doing too much to push "her votes" to Obama (who she despises). She'll tow the party line, but she is eyeballing '12.

    McCain, if he wins, he is a one and done (age), and she knows it. The Ossiah could be an 8 year project and she knows it. McCain is basically a Blue Dog Dem anyway, so she doesn't doesn't ideologically fear 4 McCain years at all. She only says that, because it makes the base wet.

    Her silly "I'd consider the Veep" statement is crap. She said it as a half-hearted reconciliatory statement KNOWING BO is not gonna pick her. Nope, shrill sits quietly, and crossing her fingers for a Obama loss, so next time around she can say "See, you gotta stick with someone that can win".

    IT ALL ABOUT SHRILLARY IN HER WORLD. Hillary 12' starts now.
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    I said the other day that Hillary should be Mccains VP, after the back stabbing screwing her Beloved Blacks and her adoring Far Left Wing Loons gave her she should tell the democrats to pound sand up their a$ses.

    Mccain/Hillary would win by the biggest landslide this counrty has ever known, this would also set her up for 2012.

    Mccain is both a Democrat and a Republican he and Pant Suit would be unbeatable, they would send the Prince & Princess right back to their "Church" where they could peacefully resume their
    "Jumping And Jiving" with Uncle Jeremiah and Father F-cking Fligger.

    :bricks:
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    Hillary won't run as an independent. My guess is that right now she's negotiating with Obama. She has the leverage to extract a few concessions, perhaps the VP slot, perhaps some cabinet posts for key people on her team, perhaps the second most prominent speaking position at the convention, etc. She has a lot of clout given the number of delegates she has amassed, and she's going to use the leverage in the interest of her supporters.
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    Not! In the interests of HERSELF. ;)
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    #24 Jersey

    You think there's a chance in hell that Obama wants Bill and Hillary on the ticket ? I have a better chance of being his running mate than the Bill and Hillary show do.
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    No, I don't think he does, but Obama has been extremely pragmatic in this election. I think he knows he'll have a tough time beating McCain, given McCain's credentials, skin color, and the Republican Party's excellent campaign machine. I think he may decide that he has no choice but to offer Clinton the VP.
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    Yeah, but I think they're the same thing. It's sort of like rooting for the Pats. The Pats want to win for their own self interest, but it happens to be in our self interest as well.
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    NO CHANCE. Obama's fortunes will NOT rise and fall on his skin color. By and large (pfather phlager aside :rolleyes: ), most of America will be hung up on that MUCH less then you think.

    In fact, us racist conservatives would have probably lined up en masses behind Condi before McCain. Hell, I'd marry her if she were willing ;) . The race issue or the sex issue, is a red herring for the most part. As is abortion, gay rights, etc. won't matter to the people that will win this election for either candidates. These issues don't resonates toward the middle nearly like they do farther out at the wings.

    This election will be won in the middle.

    If McCain can't convince them he is not Bush Redeux, he loses.

    If Obama can't convince them he has good judgement or is not a closet reverse-racist, he loses.

    It really is that simple. If race were actually gonna be an issue, Obama would already be gone.

    Also, selecting Shrill right now makes it looks like he was "dictated to" by HER. Not exactly Presidential of leaderly of him. It's not gonna happen.
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    Oh, I think there are enough bigots in both parties, but especially the Republican (to which the Dixiecrats went), that in a very close election racists could decide the day.

    No, I don't believe that. You might have supported Condi, but Republicans just like to name drop their one or two prominent minorities in order to sound inclusive. Condi would have been a dreadful candidate given her complete lack of accomplishment.

    He's a weak candidate, and he's already on record defending a lot of Bush's policies. I think that will haunt him when the campaign begins in earnest.

    So far Obama's judgment has been excellent, so I'm no sure what you're referring to. As far as reverse racism, McCain just disowned Hagee and Obama disowned his church. That is enough for most people, though both campaigns will try to use that stuff I'm sure.

    At the same time, she has the support of roughly half the Democratic electorate. He has to win their votes so that he can focus on winning the undecided. Also, from what I've read, Clinton attracts quite a few Republican professional women, and that's worth an awful lot in a close election. The goal of the election is to win, and I think Obama will do what is necessary.
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    Denial is more than the river in Africa my friend. I like you. I admire the passion of your conviction. I don't think that match the reality on the ground, but that's okay. You probably feel the same about me.

    We will see.

    Besides, BO will lose likely, and that because in addition to fighting McCain, I think he will be fighting Hillary 12' as well. She doesn't care if "one and done" McCain gets in, just practically a Blue-dog Dem anyway.
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    No chance BO offers HC the VP. Not a chance in hell. The VP position inherently demands total obedience to the President. Obama must be the leader. This country has had enough of the VP actually running the country. No way BO can tolerate waking up every morning and reading about what Billary is saying or doing. Not going to happen, and both sides know that.
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    On the other hand, let's remember the immortal words of President Johnson when asked why he didn't fire J. Edgar Hoover, "I've rather have him inside pissing out, then outside pissing in."
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    She couldn't win the democratic nomination, no way in hell would she be able to win the presidential election.
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    Conjurs up quite an image.....:eek:
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    Not to mention, like most everybody else in Washington, J. Edgar had the goods on Johnson.
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    He'll pick her if he fears losing, and truly wants to win "that bad". Personally, he'd be the typical sell out if he asked her to be VP. He definately wants no part of her, as he shouldn't, but how bad does he want to win? I'd never put that duo on my ticket even if it meant losing. They would undermine, and try to overshadow him, at every opportunity provided.
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    Out of curiosity, do you think Reagan was a sellout when he picked Bush, Sr. as VP?

    Also, Clinton was a very disciplined candidate. She ran a lousy campaign, but she stuck to the strategy in a disciplined way and managed to keep it competitive. Obama has to decide how great the danger is that Clinton supporters will defect or not vote and also has to decide how valuable Clinton's campaign infrastructure is. Also, what makes you think the Clintons can overshadow Obama. He's no wallflower.
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    I'm not so sure about that. She did beat Obama in the popularity contest. If she could take 25% of Obama's votes away and 25% of McCains away she has 50% ... popular vote anyways.

    On a serious note:

    1: She would cause major problems for the democrats if she did this.
    So it's a power chip that she can play.

    2: Our country would finally have a real 3-way contest. The media would
    love it and she would gain millions in free publicity.

    3: She could out-Obama Obama. She could say politics as usual ...
    that is GOP vs Dem is over ... and she would be right.

    4: She could well be the strongest independant to run now and for the
    forseeable future ... who else is there to pull it off.
    An old white guy vs a woman vs African-American .... WOW!!!

    She would have major $$$ problems pulling it off ... unless $$$ from unusual
    areas started to flow in. Bill Clinton made many foreign friends during his 8 years ... that $$$ could find it's way to her as soft $$$ for an independant party.

    In any case ... re-read this thread and the many opinions here prove it's a
    worthy topic .. a topic this country needs badly ... how to break apart the 2-party system that sucks ... we all know it sucks. If Obama thinks he alone will change it he will later see how wrong he is.

    Obama is a strong candidate who will now be owned by the party ... Hillary would be a strong candidate not owned by either party ... WOW!!!

    An independant moderate's dream ... and there are many more like me slightly to the left over to slightly to the right like myself who would eat it all up. I don't have hard numbers but I bet we represent at least 35% - 40% of voters in this country.
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    Um, how are Bush Sr & Hillary Clinton similar?

    Sure, if that strategy involved the race card. What is Obama? He's a 3 year senator who votes present alot, but is black, and reads a written speach real well. Clearly he's popular right now. Well, so wasn't Deval Patrick. The neuvo wears off pretty quickly when your best charactoristics are extremely contemporary. Obama might find that out from now until November actually. The Clintons are a proven commodity. They're a lightning rod of history, both past, and present, both favorable, and unfavorable. They're not going anywhere in people's eyes. Obama may overshadow them, but if you're Obama, why on earth would you take that chance? The only reason you put on two untrustworthy people (they are a package deal no matter what anyone says) onto your ticket, is cuz your uncertain of your chances without them. All one needs to do to understand what I am talking about, is look at Hillary's "disciplined" campaign for an example. How many times were Hillary and Bill on the same page? How many times did one undermine the other? Was Bill a credit, or a detriment to his wife's campaign? Think about that, and tell that they'd be quiet in the back ground while deferring to an inexperienced Barak Obama. Maybe, but I doubt it. Obama needs a fresher face. Richardson, or someone like that, comes to mind. He may go female though, to offset and appease the Clinton voters. Coincidently, that's why you could see a female on the GOP ticket as well.
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    The problem is that while she'd run as an independent, she's anything but one. She'd never take 25% of McCain's vote. She can only add to McAmnesty by dropping out. The only thing she would do by running as an Indy, is destroy her chances of running in 2012 as a dem. The party would disown her. Her best hope, and I don't doubt she's thinking this, (to get on as VP obviously is a conselation prize) is to hope Obama loses and run again in 2012 with "I told you so" being her campaign slogan.

    What it does make me wonder is what the law is with respect to a single candidate not aquiring the necessary 270 to win the general?
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    I think the Republicans need to be more concerned with Ron Paul and Bob Barr running as independents or on other party tickets than Hillary Clinton who will not run as an independent. She will be right there next to Obama on many stages whether she is the VP candidate or not.
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    She still hasn't conceded, what the hell is she doing--:confused:

    They can't find Prince Obama's Cat.

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