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  1. Real World

    Real World Moderator Staff Member

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    This woman is scary. First it's $5,000 a baby, now it's $1,000 per person. Edward's comments are on point, and reinforce my perception of her. She is the ultimate finger in the wind politician.

    Clinton Proposes 401(k)s, Matching Funds

    Oct 9 12:49 PM US/Eastern
    By NEDRA PICKLER
    Associated Press Writer

    WEBSTER CITY, Iowa (AP) - Every citizen could get a 401(k) retirement account and up to $1,000 in annual matching funds from the government under a plan offered Tuesday by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    At a cost of $20 billion-$25 billion a year, the plan is Clinton's largest domestic proposal other than her plan for universal health insurance. The New York senator said it would be paid for by taxing estates worth more than $7 million per couple and would help narrow the gap between the rich and those who don't have enough savings for retirement.

    At the same time, Clinton said she has given up another idea for a savings incentive—giving every baby born in the United States a $5,000 account to one day pay for college or a first home.

    The campaign of her Democratic rival John Edwards suggested it was an example of Clinton setting her positions by polls. "Apparently, new polling data seems to have pressured the Clinton campaign to throw out the baby bond with the bathwater," said Edwards spokesman Chris Kofinis.


    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8S5R35O0&show_article=1
     
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    Very true. She's also very shrewd though, in a time when people are unsure about the economy and cost of living, they see a candidate who offers them "free" money. Those who are not inclined to stop and think "hey, where will that money come from" will be duped into voting for her.
     
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    That's the whole plan for certain candidates. The more dependent people are on the government, the more important the government then becomes. Hence, the more important they become. Instead of preaching independence and accountability, they teach dependence and excusism.
     
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    She is being advised by vicious lying dishonest Democrats of which she is also one, they know the best way to get a vote is to promise the greedy Americans that she will give them something for nothing then after she is elected she will march out in front of the camera's in her Pant Suit with her fangs hanging out, bobbing her stinking f-cking head and tell the people that the Republicans and Barbara Bush made it impossible for her to "Give" anything away free at this time, then she and Billy Blue Dress will fly off to Martha's Vineyard and have a "sex orgy" with the Hollywood Wife Swappers.

    Barnum & Bailey would have loved the Clintons.
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    Think they'll invite Bob Livingstone, Larry Craig, Tom Foley, and David Vitter?
     
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    Sure they will, Hillary will make them all take their clothes off and Tap Dance :singing:
     
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    I'd think so, but they'll only show up if Barney Frank is hosting. :D
     
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    it's amazing that the indignant "Right" is so outraged over a $20 billion per year program, but doesn't ask a single question regarding yet another $190+ billion towards an illegal occupation of a nation that never attacked us... what are we up to now, some $650 billion? $1.3 trillion including rehabilitation and repair?

    Hooray!!! Let's cry about helping our own fellow Americans here at home a smidgeon, and instead go ahead and ignore the fifth attempt to rebuild Baghdad's sewage system, or the multi-billion dollar failed cell phone contract in Iraq botched by Qual-comm, or the atronomically over-budget permanent mega-base we're erecting in a foreign nation, and on and on and on and on and on... all billed to the Pentagon... all paid for by you, me and guys like Harry...

    yay, Capitalism!!... boo, blue-collar Americans.... "oh, but wait, can you do the fighting for us? thanks... "

    i'm no Clinton voter, overall... but this is a stupid thread... misguided, short-sighted assessment... one star if there ever was one...
     
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    #24 Jersey

    It's not completely different from IRA contributions being tax deductable. Money going out vs. money not coming in has the same end result. As I said with the $5K thing, I'm not in favor of it without more details as it would likely just become free spending money. However if it were like an IRA and couldn't be taken out until retirement then I would have a difficult time not supporting it as it would achieve some of what I want privatized social security to achieve - giving people the chance to grow their own wealth and to see what the stock market can do to grow their money. However I fear most would use it to help buy a new car.
     
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    What do the two have to do with each other? Why can't you discuss the proposal itself? Does wasting money in one regard mean that someone else can waste the same someplace else?

    I think the only thing that is stupid is your inability to discuss anything without mentioning Iraq. If you don't like the thread, don't post in it.
     
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    Well, you may be an exception, but it does seem odd that the same people who support spending hundreds of billions to liberate Iraq oppose spending far less to help solve the inherent problems in our retirement system. If we don't get people to save, our economy is going to suffer, and we're going to have a major social problem with impoverished retirees. You might look at it this way: if we don't help people achieve a decent retirement, they'll probably become Democrats and hope for government aid down the road.
     
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    Why is it a stupid thread? Because we question the integrity of a program like that? We think it's a bad idea. Tell us why it isn't.
     
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    Did you read the article BF? The plan is to hand out $1,000 to everybody, and pay for it by raising estate taxes. Why does she want to do that? Well...

    Clinton said during a campaign stop in small-town central Iowa, "They will begin to bring down this inequality that is eating away at our social contract." She said, "This is a major commitment to how I believe we can begin to right the balance again."


    What inequality is she speaking of? What she wants to do is redistribute wealth. Here's a little advice, how about SHRINKING government and lowering the tax burden on the working class, instead of growing government and throwing scraps like a $1,000 SS credit that does nothing when you consider that SS isn't going to be there when we retire. People are so dumb it annoys me. These proposals never cost what any politician says. They always cost more. Their projections never add up. They always make it sound like it won't affect the "working man" when that's who eventually gets robbed in the end. Here's $1,000 I'm going to steal from someone else, and give to you for free, while I grow government, and increase the burden you'll pay for in the future. It's like a car salesman offering you a $1,000 rebate if you come in and buy today! :mad:
     
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    Well, 401Ks are SUPPOSED to be for retirement. As I said, as of this moment I do not support it. And under no circumstances do I support it as a theoretical concept.

    However . . . as an idea it would intrigue me if the money had to stay invested until age 65 or whatever. I want everyone in the country to experience wealth growth just as I experience it for myself by investing in the stock market. It would show people how they can grow their money even if they can only add $20 a month. I'm not rich by any means but I have enough to put some in the market most months and I see it grow which makes me look for ways to save money and invest more. I wish more people could see it happen and this is the reason I support partial privatization of social security. There would be no better way for the poor to move up than by being able to grow their money and pass it on to their next generation.

    I'm not a Robin Hood economist. But getting more people saving for retirement always raises my eyebrows.
     
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    We've done plenty to get people to save Patters. The fed has increased the amount you can put into your IRA each year over the last 6 or 7 years. I think it's $12,000 a year now. The problem is that people have to do it for themselves, and not have the government do it for them. The more you hand people for free, the less they will ever do for themselves. The hand out society & ideology is what's to blame. In the end, the only thing you can depend on is yourself.
     
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    I'm with you here. I want people to own things, and invest their cash. I want people to get breaks for saving for their retirement. That's why I love the idea of tax dedcutions for money put into retirement accounts. The key point for me though is whose money is being put in there. If someone hands you someone else's money to save as your own, I'm opposed to it. You're not teaching didly when you give things out for free.
     
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    Get Bush
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    Ha. Ha. Ha

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    you mean like you routinely do?
     
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    I'd say the logical thing to do with SS is to push off the arrival of benefits. Has the age when benefits begin ever gone up? and in that time how much higher are life expectancies?

    It seems to me that if you give everyone whatever amount of money, inflation will just gobble it up. Lets say they passed a law that said that $1.00 is now $2.00 $10.00 is now $20.00 etc, In other words they just made up a new design for all money and all you had to do was turn in your bills and coins for double the money in the new design, and anything you had banked was suddenly doubled. Sure, we'd all be rich for a few hours; but then inflation would kick in and make it all go away leaving us worse off than before. IMO any amount of money that goes to everybody will do the same thing only at a lower scale, so the final result would be less noticeable; but still negative.

    What might not be such a bad idea is to 'give' every child at birth $100 or even less in a 60 year savings bond and send this person letters every year pointing out how much interest their money has earned and how much more it would earn if they were to add to it. That reminder every year might be useful even though the overall plan would still be inflationary. I think the positives would out weigh the negatives.

    Edit: Then again what might be best of all is to just slap the immaturity out of 18-30 yr olds. That would actually be the simplest solution.
     
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    Now you've posted twice. I guess the thread can't be all that bad now can it? :p
     

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