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  1. otis p. driftwood

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    So she says this:
    The BHO camp immediately went nuts (as they did when GWB mentioned "appeasers") and said this"
    "Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," Obama campaign spokesman said in a statement.

    What a tangled web...

    Then she says this:
    I don't understand why she said it. I don't claim any knowledge of how her mind works. But honest to God, is this what it's going to be like? Every single thing anyone says is going to wind up being about BHO?
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    #15 Jersey

    This is the nail in the coffin. It may not mean much to you, and maybe you should turn on your tv and catch the news. It was a dimwitted comment and this was all about Obama. I listened to Obama's manager and no, they did not go nuts. They said it was unfortunate. Many of the analysts insisted that it was due to her long hours on the campaign trail, she's exhausted, etc. Well then, I sure wouldn't want her answering that 2 AM phone call in the Oval Office.
    The problem with the exhausted excuse is that she has used the assassination analogy in the past (without the word assassination).
    I will not vote for her.
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    Went nuts might've been strong. What I was trying to get across is that it seems no matter what anyone says, BHO and his people turn it into an attack on them, then wag their fingers. We've already seen people leave the McC campaign because they don't want to go after BHO. We've seen BHO launch pre-emptive strikes against any attacks on him.

    I just wonder if we're coming to a place in America where we won't be able to say anything at all about BHO.

    I'm sorry, but Mrs. Clinton has been campaigning hard for over a year. She's exhausted and stressed beyond belief. I can certainly understand her having Kennedy on the brain, given Teddy's tumor and that she holds RFK's seat.

    Tactless? Ill advised? Yes. But malicious? As much as I hate defending a Clinton...I'm more nervous about the way I see BHO getting covered.
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    So a. paul, what analogy was she trying to draw then?
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    Why was she necessarily drawing an analogy? As I said, I could see why the Kennedy's would be on her mind this week, and she doesn't want to get out of the race.

    Do you think she's trying to incite an assassination attempt?
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    I think that many times in this campaign she had the idea to subliminaly make suggestions that would help her in the future ... and the idea has been a disaster. She's done this with lesser topics .... she's been her own worst enemy ... what a free fall.
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    Exactly, she's basically saying, don't vote for him he can't win or runs the risk of being assassinated. Basic scare tactics and it's making her look psychotic. If she had said this back when nobody thought Obama had a chance methinks a. paul and crew would be blasting her for it.
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    Problem is that I actually feel sorry for her. She's never been the politician Bill was--not even close. She's not smooth, and she's not particularly likeable. I can sort of sympathize with her. So she says something--which may well have been innocent, and it turns into a story. I don't believe she was saying "don't vote for him he runs the risk of being assassinated", but if that's what you really think there's no point in arguing (defending a Clinton is making my head hurt and my eye twitch).
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    wow...sounds like she's openly pleading for the assassination of a contender...that's pretty vile right there
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    I just don't see why you think that. But it's funny that's how it's been spun today.
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    She added this statement later in the day:
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    #15 Jersey

    Too bad she left out the part where she apologizes to Obama.
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    She sepcifically reference one success that went into June and one failure. Her husband as a comparison to her and why she shouldn't quit yet and RFK was Obama who anything could happen to. Or is she not familiar with a more recent example. Anyway the Obama people aren't really even making a fuss over it.
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    #15 Jersey

    Exactly. There was an earlier episode where she talked of JFK being an exceptional speaker and he being assassinated. Oh its just a coincidence.
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    Look you might be right, I'm not 100% sure, but either way it was a "what was she thinking moment." Even in the best case scenario you are talking about it's still a pretty huge gaffe because she's using A) a tragedy that's pertinent to the Kennedy's right now and B) the "anything can happen" argument which is pretty pathetic. Given Huckabee's recent comments though, the cynic in me thinks she's trying to capitalize somehow on that fear and racial tension.
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    This from a blog over at Time magazine:
    Apparently she can't really use the "Kennedy on my mind" from March, so that excuse goes out the window. This is what I get for trying to cut the poor woman some slack.
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    fact is she's just ******* retarded

    what kind of moron brings up the word "assassination" during a race for a nomination between a black guy and a woman...in america?

    she's desperate and those were the words of a desperate woman who doesn't know how to quit

    if there was any chance the election could have been salvaged for the democrats with a combined ticket, that just ended it

    welcome aboard mccain, he's the new president, and the election hasn't even begun
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    Pretty stupid comment, this has been happening a lot lately with her and Billy..anyways Bobby's son did not think it was a big deal...he continues to support her.

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    retarded meaning "tactlessly stupid", yes... but that's the extent of what happened, not an act of desperation... that would require meticulous thought and planning...

    it was just a dumb statement, and you can kinda tell by the look on her face that she knows it was dumb... i wouldn't be surprised to see her capitulate this week or next... she knows it's over.
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    i think acting desperately in her case = not thinking about what she's saying

    the democrats really screwed up a good chance to become president this year, across the board screw ups
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    It should have been Paul Wellstone in '08... And it was going to be....

    He'd have dominated any candidate out there. ... That's why he had to die.
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    The Cllntons still don't know what hit them, they really believed that democrats were loyal stand up people who worshiped and adored them "Our Bill" "Our Hill" "Our Chelsea", well reality has set in, their loyal grinning rump swabbers have deserted them like the back stabbing swine they are and the Rat Bastard Democrats are going to have to bodily and forceably drag the old bag Hillary off the stage, they may even have to have her arrested to get rid of her----:singing:

    Barack Hussein Obama the Clintons worst nightmare, Barack is America's TOP Politically Correct Diversity Poster Boy, nobody will beat him, The Prince Obama is the next President.

    Geraldine Ferarro Was Right And Everybody Knows It But Nobody Dares To Say It Unless They Are At Home, Alone In Their Cellar With All The Doors Locked, Barack Hussein Obama is where he is today because he is----:eek:

    Queen Oprah once said "I love the Clintons like I love my own people"----LOL
    GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY.
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    PC--I respect the integrity etc of Wellstone as much as anyone who's not in the fan club...but do you honestly think a politician with his views could dominate anyone?
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    9/11 was an inside job, and Paul Wellstone could get elected President..


    Both equally plausible
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    #15 Jersey

    You never know, after-all we did elect a chimp.
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    But we can't put Curious George on a shirt over Obama's name...cause that's offensive.
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    #15 Jersey

    Moe, your catching on. Your correct that we cannot call a black man a chimp because he is black, but we can call a white person a chimp based on his incompetence.
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    What can we call a half black person who has serious ties to both communists, anarchists, terrorists, and an american hating minister?

    Just checking...
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    What if we're talking about his white half? That's the half with the big ears and high forehead.

    :D


    Please--it's humor. Weak, I'm sure, but I'm not trying to stir up another debate slash flame fest.
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    What will "Prince Bracks" nick name be we can't call him Bush's nickname, how about just plain "Ears"

    Wouldn't it be a riot if the crazy squablling dingobats were the cause of "Mccain Winning", just like Gore/kerry put the Chimp in.---------:singing:

    The Dingobats have a tiger by the tail and they have no idea on how to handle him because of their dreaded fear of the "Racist Bullsh!t" and don't you think the Obama people don't know it.

    Political Correctness is destroying America

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