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  1. PatsFanInVa

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    I suppose the question is why the things that we take to be the scenery of our natural world keeps gang-dying in the last few years?

    Here's this morning's entry -

    World News - Hundreds of pelicans die; stay away from beaches, Peru urges

    Before it was dolphins - I believe the official count was about a thousand. Before that it was mass bird drops.

    All in the last couple years.

    Now: yes, yes, I know we're in the middle of a mass extinction event, and I know I know, human activity can't have anything to do with it, them's the rules of fantasyland. Everything we do is hunky dorey and good for the environment and crude oil actually greases their wings and makes them fly better, whatever.

    My question isn't really "is it really happening?" or "Hmmmm wonder if we had anything to do with this?"

    My question is why the aquatic life that you go to the beach to see keeps being on the beach, rather than off in the water or up in the air. Why are largish animals you can usually see from the beach starting to kick the fish-bucket now and coming to you?

    Any theories?

    Holla.

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    It's hard to say. The Pelicans were malnourished according to early tests. There was another mass pelican death in peru in 1997. That was blamed on a shortage of anchovies due to an el Nino.

    If that is the cause, then this guy believes it starts with climate change. As far as why they wind up washing up on beaches it could be its simply that they're looking in the ocean their ocean food diet.

     
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    In certain segments of societies Pelicans, Loons and similar birds are referred to as fish eating factories...

    So have to wonder if there is a human element in all of this?????
     
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    Just a question; are more things "gang-dying" or is there better reporting?

    It's an honest question.
     
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    I don't think the facts support any conclusions right now. What I hate is how tight everything is money-wise. This is worth spending money to run to ground, possibly huge; but we gotta keep them taxes low.
     
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    We did it millions of years ago, we got out of the water, stood up, starterd walking around and then we started fighting and killing each other.

    Those things you see coming in are the Republicans and the Democrats of the future, they will soon start fighting because they look different than each other.

    Pelicans call Dolphins "Grey Mother F-ckers"
     
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    At least those upon the middle class...we certainly do.

    One could easily counter with....

    "but we gotta keep that spending high".

    Is spending too high or are taxes too low?

    All I know is that I can't afford to pay any more taxes.

    Did you ever try to add up all the different forms of taxes Americans pay?

    -Federal Income taxes
    -Social Security
    -Medicare
    -State income tax
    -Sales tax
    -Gasoline tax
    -Internet tax
    -Cable tax
    -Property tax
    -Meal tax
    -Excise tax
    -Highway tolls
    -Airline tax
    -Cell phone tax

    It's not like Americans pay very little in taxes sd.
     
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    Sure, who cares about possibly massive damage to the environment as long as you get a new car every 3 years and have a 70 inch TV.
     
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    Top predators are prone to toxic exposures, especielly fish eaters, because heavy metals and other substances accumulate up the chain. These animals tend to have more complex brains and behaviors which depend on more complex processing. When they become neurologically damaged by toxin exposure, they make more fatal mistakes. There are other theories under investigation including oceanic "noise" and electromagnetic confusion impacting the ability of animal groups that migrate. Probably a combination of factors creating a bad situation for the crittahs. One thing we all know is that it's Obama's and the EPA's fault.
     
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    I'm not a materialistic person....those kind of people bug the heck out of me...so we have that in common.

    My car is a 2006 with 100k miles....my tele is a "DLP" wide-screen 55" that I got 5 years ago...they no longer make DLP's.

    I own nothing that is extravagant nor do I have any desire to.

    I prefer to spend a week in New Hampshire hiking and swimming rather than taking a fancy vacation.

    I'm an outdoor type person who loves taking walks, playing golf or going out to dinner with old/good friends.

    My main concern is being able to retire by the time I'm 67.

    You need to stop making assumptions about people so easily...especially ones you never met.

    P.S. Members please watch Darryl place "Likes" after another responds to one of my posts...it's cute as hell aint it?
     
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    ...That's funny....:D...retire....
     
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    Sarcasm? Please explain wistah....
     
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    So why don't the people in Peru where the event occured look into it?
     
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    Brown Pelicans breed and migrate from California to Chile. If their mass killing is being caused by humans, I doubt the Puruvians had a lot to do with it. Just a guess.
     
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    Well it could be due to human activity or it could be due to a natural cause like the changing of the Earth's magnetic field:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/s...n-how-pigeons-navigate-by-magnetic-field.html


    Birds use the Earth's magnetic field to get around.

    The Earth's magnetic field has been changing a lot lately, some think the magnetic poles are getting ready to flip? But the measrured field is dropping and scientist don't know why.

    Earth’s Magnetic Field Has Massive Breach – scientists baffled | Watts Up With That?

    A LaNina event is ending in the Pacific:

    Climate Prediction Center: ENSO Diagnostic Discussion


    An algae bloom? All sorts of possibilities perhaps they won't be able ti identify a specific problem.
     
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    It's always America's fault...get your point.

    But raise US taxes to study extinction? We have bigger fisht to fry....

    US universities have more money than US banks...so they can afford to fund their own studies...especially at $60k/year tuitions.
     
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    It's pretty obvious that humankind has contributed to the extinction of hundreds if not thousands of species. This used to be commonly accepted. But, now, under the influence of the major oil producers, we have all learned that while humans may have killed the dodo, the great auk, the passenger pigeon, and so many others, one thing we can be certain of is that air and water pollution are harmless enough that we don't need to worry about them. Or, as pf13, points out, we can blame in on magnetic fields! There are many far out ways to avoid personal responsibility, especially if it means, heaven forbid, we'll have to raise taxes. Let's leave a dump to our progeny. F- 'em. They can clean it up.
     
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    The USA is not the care-takers of the world Patters. All global extinctions are not our responsibility.
     
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    We're all part of the world, and I believe the US has had a powerful impact by setting an example and by participating with others nations to bring pressure on the major polluters wherever they are. If we get China 1% cleaner and our nation 5% cleaner, I think we all are the victors.
     
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    What Patsfan13 is pointing out is that frquently in science we don't know, that there are many possible issues involved some man made some natural, or perhaps a combination of the two.

    However rather than waiting for actual facts we rush to judgement to push the political agenda de jour. This is course isn't science.

    BTW while people can be causing some extinction events we muct note that species have been coming and going for hundred of millions before domesticated primates showed up.
     

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