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    For the independent act of one of our citizens.

    We do not apologize for the movie that offends you.

    We do not care about a movie made by one our citizens because we allow everyone to express themselves freely....get used to it.

    I hope you're reading this and get upset.

    Chilln with Mohammed...wish you were here.
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    Obama did not apologize, but keep reading those blogs...

    Does it make sense that an ex-con "coptic christian" who was from Egypt, make a film that probably puts the coptic christians in Egypt in more danger????

    I can understand his disdain for muslim extremism, but his extremism puts fellow coptic christians in harms way...
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    #54 Jersey

    At least people in the West are coming around on the "he's a Jew" myth.

    As for Obama, it's tough to criticize someone in his position. There's no easy answer from his perspective. He's got to find the smart path, somewhere between "sorry" and "bring it on". It's a pretty large list of options, with a pretty diverse array of consequences.
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    Just as an fyi...."America Does NOT Apologize" is NOT a dig on Obama and I am not referring to him.

    That statement just means we do not apologize as Americans for the act of one individual upon our soil.

    I agree with your assessment of Obama's position.
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    Can you provide a link to what words we're taking back? Or more importantly, where are you getting your information? Have you missed the hundreds of articles that criticized Rmoney for his nonsense claim about Obama apologizing? Have you bothered to look at the facts? You, who call other threads a waste of time, now proceed to start a thread based on propaganda from Rmoney? DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'RE POSTING. SHOW US THAT YOU'RE NOT SIMPLY POSTING RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA. WHAT ARE THE WORDS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE BACK?

    This is the statement that was released by the Cairo embassy shortly before the riots occurred in either country. The statement that Rmoney called an apology was not an apology, but a statement of American principles intended to defuse passions. If anything the statement should have been made sooner:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-says-us-embassy-statement-was-apology-was-i/

    "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."

    If you were an American in a Muslim country, would you condemn those Arab governments that apologized for people dancing in the street after 9/11 for (1) apologizing and (2) by apologizing, using your "logic," implying that freedom of assembly was wrong. Did you condemn Bush for apologizing to Muslims for Koran burnings in the US, or did you see it as most intelligent people saw it, as a sensible statement in order to calm passions and protect American interests?

    But again, my main complaint with your thread is that you don't state what words we should take back or what apology you're talking about.
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    You're running from your own words. Now you sound like Romney. This is what you said,

    "We take back Obama's apology 100% and regret he spoke those words.
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    You didn't need to post a novel....you and Niki made valid points, so I re-worded my OP.

    As you know, I'm very flexible...
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    #12 Jersey

    Romney's response was knee-jerk, self serving and inappropriate. That said it feels like the mood that's hanging out there right now is that we brought this on. I can't help but get the feeling that our weak response has done little to diffuse tensions and has actually allowed for some "serves ya right" justification. The statements are too diplomatic in my opinion. The statements made sure to condemn the film first and the attacks second. Even the White House had "jitters" about the statement according to the article in the link you posted....and without a stronger condemnation of the murders, free from insisting that "our guys abused their free speech" included in it, it seems like we are saying, "our bad" That is what is left out there for the mobs over there to chew on.
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    But, the initial statement came before the riots and murders, so was likely intended as a step towards diffusing anger.

    Now, the US which is working to build good relations with the new Egypt and Libya needs to proceed carefully. We cannot and should not disrespect their sovereignty unless those governments clearly turn against us and side with the terrorists. Right now, Libya and Egypt (as of this morning) seem to be doing the right thing and recognizing the violence as a criminal act.
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    Bingo! The movie shouldn't even be mentioned by our politicians and certainly not by Obama.

    America did nothing wrong and we need to make that perfectly clear. We had nothing to do with the murders and riots in Egypt and Libya.

    Nice post.
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    #12 Jersey

    The second statement rubber-stamped the first one though and made sure it again spoke first about what we did wrong and second what the mob did wrong. And now instead of strongly condemning the murders we seem to be spending all our time proving how we didn't apologize. It almost seems desperate by some. ...asking four "experts" to determine if the statements represented an apology:confused: Not apologizing does not translate into the proper response in my opinion. Such diplomacy is meaningless to the mobs. Fair and balanced responses emboldens the mobs and I think the governments to some degree that don't want to look like the bad guys. I think we look like the bad guys. Maybe we think that diffuses the situation but I don't think it does.
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    Thats probably what he wants hoping the US would get sucked into over throwing the government thats now there. Or on a larger scale (since he originally said he was an Isreali Jew start a regional war pitting Christians and Jews against Muslims to fulfill an end of the world prophecy.
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    Watching Pant Suit Hillary dance around this and practically come right out and blame her own country was enough to make a person vomit.

    Those people and that Religion HATE America and when they hate something their first reaction is to KILL IT, that whole slaughter of the Americans and the attack on America was all planned the reaction from this administration and that Anti Semite clown we have for a president is disgusting.

    When they attacked our embassy they attacked America our Cowardly Socialist President did nothing but slobber.

    President Barack Hussein Obama will now fight back, HE WILL SEND THEM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND SOME NEW SOCCER BALLS.

    Now, sit back and watch "Allah In Action" right in your living room.

    GOD WILLING
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    Like I said before...Obama, Hillary or any US politician/spokesperson should never have even mentioned or acknowledged the movie. Why on earth would they?

    Otherwise, anytime an American who insults Islam or a foreign nation is quoted, America did something wrong. So if someone like Mel Gibson says "*&^%$$% Islam", we have to acknowledge his wrong? God, I hope not.

    The ONLY one's who need to apologize are the individuals who commit a wrong. Not our government for crying out loud.
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    How bout they (Egypt & Libya) work to build good relations with us. Since we the US although broke ourselves, are giving them billions of $$$$.

    Romney's statements was correct as the repudiation by the WH and state dept shows.

    BTW why didn't the administration tell the embassies what was coming.

    This was retaliation for the killing of the AL Queda #2 by a drone, not the movie published by the Obama campaign bundler at google.
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    What we should have done is provide the GPS coordinates to the film producers house.

    Seriously - if we are a country of free speech why should we publicly comment at all on what that guy did. We should have said we are a country of free speech and the film does not in any way reflect the opinion of the USA government. That's it ... even better a Belichick answer. That man is not on our team so we have no comment - he is not a government employee.
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    Does his act really anger you IP? He made a MOVIE....and you want to help get him killed?

    I can see other Americans ridiculing him and telling him he's an arse, but nothing more.

    I could care less about something one person says, writes or produces when you get right down to it. Yeah, I think he's an idiot like the minister who likes burning Korans....but none of these people represent America.

    Imagine if Americans rioted and killed embassadors everytime some dope in Libya said "Death to the American infidel!"?

    But like I've said before, I AM an INFIDEL (as far as radical Muslims are concerned) and very proud!
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    #87 Jersey

    That was a tongue in cheek comment - we should have gave them the free speech line ... because it's true - the truth is always the best answer. I am not mad at the guy - I am mad about the lack of security for our government people abroad.
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    #12 Jersey

    We've all said said some dumb stuff at times but if they were giving prizes for the Rush Limbaugh Let's-Start-Some-Stupid-***** Statement of the Year, this one would win, hands down.

    A word to the wise.....if you ever expect anyone to take you seriously you really ought not make statements as outlandish and markedly hateful as this one.
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    Ok...then you need to use this emoticon next time...:p

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