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  1. FredFromDartmouth

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    Hell yes! I don't think that the Patriots screwed up one bit. They knew that he was a risk and they got a lot of capital for the draft pick. The Hernandez era is over but it did not cost the Patriots much and they have depth at the position. Time to move on.
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    Fred! That is the best post you have ever made. I knew you had it in you. Too bad this is going to end bad. Unfortunately the whole world is just looking for ammo to after the pats. Even if AH is completely cleared we will be a team with a Murderer on it. We will never ever hear the end of it just like Rapistbuger and Lewis, and any team with Vick etc...

    Oh well. Nobody liked us anyway.

    All I can say is thank God Stallworth was not on the team in 09.
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    The pick is not an issue at all for me, but what are the financial reprecussions? I don't feel like sifting through a thousand pages of AH threads to find the answer but if we part ways with him how much dead cap is he carrying? If we're taking hits in that department for the remainder of the contract, the answer is an easy EFFFF NO, even if he was an UDFA 'moving on' would not be as easy as you're making it sound.
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    Absolutely, it was worth it. You couldn't possibly have predicted this kind of outcome, which is pretty unprecedented. Even among the NFL's worst of the worst, this is extremely rare. I mean maybe you could have predicted him being suspended for a banned substance, but for this? No way. Everyone who's second guessing is just doing it in hindsight.
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    Sorry for being a d*ck but when did we get rid of him/ he is not playing for us?
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    As optimistic as I think we would all like to be (except the lynch mob contingent here) I dont see him coming back. Of course that is just my gut. I mean he would have to come of of this smelling like a rose in order to escape being done as pat.

    This situation is pretty unprecedented and I can't see Kraft being happy if it is proven he was involved in any way.

    If AH came out unscathed would the Pats still keep him? So, its really 3 issues. His guilt or innocence, the pats decision after that ruling and then the NFL's decision.

    Oh look another AH thread.
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    He's already given more than most 4th rounders so the pick yeah, but not the new contract (with a $7.5M cap hit next year).
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    That cap hit must be the ONLY thing that is keeping him on the team right now...

    but all the douchebags in the press don't seem to understand that the Patriots were very smart about this kid (except for the contract); they got a lot of mileage out of this fourth rounder. He was worth the risk.
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    These mediots that are trying to make it sound like the Patriots wasted a 4th round pick need to get a clue. This was a 4th round pick, not a 1st. I checked and in Hernandez's draft class, only 1 other 4th rounder besides Hernandez has been to the Pro-Bowl. Even if Hernandez never plays another down again, the career he has had already will made him probably in the top 3 of his draft class's 4th round.

    Nobody is asking if the Cowboys wasted a pick by selecting the immortal Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. I'd rather have 3 years of Aaron Hernandez than 10 years of Trevard Lindley, Alterraun Verner or Eric Norwood (not to say any of those guys will be playing 10 years).
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    I'd say so, was a pretty big part in the 2011 team that almost took home the lombardi. He hasn't been cut or suspended yet so I'll wait til he's convicted to get into that.
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    I missed the guilty verdict and sentencing hearing. How many years did he get?
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    Life in solitary confinement reading Fred from Dartmouth's game-day thread posts.
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    AH gave us Terry Glenn production on a year by year basis. Not bad for a TE
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    another 10 star legendary thread from fred.
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    That was the first post I have ever seen from him that was positive about the team so I was giving him props.
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    The title is even dumber than the thread

    I myself thought at first glance that Fred was already thinking the team can deal Hernandez to another team for a future 4th round pick now. :eek:
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    Don't hate on Alterraun Verner. He's a good player with a long career ahead of him.
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    This group has to be the most uninformed board. I thought pats fans were sane, not insane like the jets. Am I on the right forum here?
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    +1 and basically sums it up. Pats got screwed, by most metrics the pick and extension were a great decision up until last Tuesday. All of this ex post facto judgement is simply sensationalist.
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    What is "this?" and where did you find out what "this" is?
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    I suppose he in referencing AH being involved in a murder either directly or indirectly. AH is involved in it whether we like it or not and the Pats brand will take a big on this forever.

    It is what it is.
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    Well said. Here are the Patriots 4th round picks for the past ten drafts, excluding the most recent one:

    2012 none
    2011 none
    2010 Hernandez
    2009 Rich Ohrnberger
    2008 Jonathan Wilhite
    2007 Kareem Brown
    2006 Garrett Mills, Steven Gostkowski
    2005 James Sanders
    2004 Dexter Reid, Cedric Cobbs
    2003 Dan Klecko, Asante Samuel

    Aside from Hernandez, there is one really good player (Asante), one decent kicker, and a journeyman db (Sanders). Even if was only three years, I'd take Hernandez' career over any of these other players except Samuel. Even if he never plays another down, it was a productive draft pick.
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    Guys, you are missing the point. Screw the trial. This isn't about right and wrong, or guilt, or anything that makes sense.

    This is about PR.

    Hernandez was tried in the media and found guilty. All that is left is for Goodell to hand down a sentence.

    Oh, he's probably not guilty and smelling like a rose, but Goodell suspends him anyway because E!SPN told him too. No emoticon because I'm not joking about Goodell being an ***hole.

    BTW, he was worth a fourth round pick.
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    Goddell has to show the soccer moms and dads that he means business. Can't have people in the NFL who "might be" involved in a murder lol
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    No, not if he is suspended for the FLA shooting when youre offense is based off 2 TE sets.
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    I was thinking very similar. Using a 4th round pick on a TE who is one of the best in the game and helped us almost bring home the Lombardi Trophy.
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    On what date did Goodell suspend Hernandez?

    It is Kraft who decided to waive him, hurting the chances of recovering bonus money unless he has already made a deal with the NFL and the CBA (which seems unlikely).

    The team does not abandon folks charged with crimes. However, it is clear that Hernandez is in so much trouble over the TWO incidents that Kraft was willing to give up $7.5M to avoid dealing with the situation any more.

    And yes, it is bad PR to have a player on the team who is awaiting action regarding a homicide and a suit regarding a shooting. This PR problem would be there even if Goodell did nothing. I understand that you would like ESPN not to cover this situation, but that is most unreasonable. Besides, the local press will make this daily news for a very long time.

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    Jimmy Graham in the third would have been a better investment than Hernandez and the third we wasted on Taylor Price.
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