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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    Politico has come out with a story that Herman Cain was twice accused of sexual harrassment and it's being reported that the women signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.

    I'm not commenting on whether the allegations are true or not - it's a breaking story and stories have a way of breaking differently once the entire truth comes out.

    I will say that Herman's "answer" to the charges in the story could have been much better. There's a lot of hemming and hawing and "no comments" and spokepersons being “vaguely familiar” with the charges and remarks that the restaurant association’s general counsel had resolved the matter.

    There has, as of right now, been no outright denial from either Herman Cain or his campaign staff although they have been aware of the story for 10 days.

    When directly confronted by a Politico reporter on Sunday, Cain refused to answer a question about whether he had ever been accused of sexual harassment. Instead he asked the reporter: “Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?”

    Read more: Exclusive: 2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior - Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman and Anna Palmer and Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com

    edited to add: I just heard on the television that Mr. Block (the cigarette toking campaign manager) has gone on record as "catagorically denying" that any sexual harrassment has ever taken place.
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    It may or may not be true, would hate to see him victimized by a false or exaggerated news story...

    Methinks he will destroy himself, all by himself.. this country is not ready for a theocracy....
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    Yeah, my thoughts are that the vetting process has just begun and that there'll be plenty of dirt on the Hermanator. No sense in going after a changeup in the dirt when you can expect fastball after fastball right down the middle:D
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    These reporters should know not to ask Cain a question unless he asks them one FIRST!
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    Who knows when it comes to these things. Sometimes they're very legit, sometimes they're money grabs, and sometimes it's simply a line between what some people find inappropriate versus what others see as normal everyday type stuff. The hard part with this story so far, is the lack of real details. I read something about "inappropriate gestures" and him asking someone if they wanted to "go up to my room". Without real details who knows what that means. If he's looking at coworkers and going [​IMG] then not good. If he's discussing a vendor trying to screw them and he motions like this [​IMG] then who cares. We need details. Regardless of guilt, politically it's not good for him. You never want to spend your time defending your charactor, or allegations of wrong doing. Especially when you don't have a genuine public record for people to form an opinion of you on. People are just getting to know who this man is right now. 5 months ago he was an unknown commodity. So as fast as people like him rise, is as fast as they can fall. This hurts someone like him a lot I think.
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    Its priceless to hear Cain talk about people making accusations with no proof...


    here is Cain talking about planned parenthood wanting to "Kill black babies"


    BOB SCHIEFFER: Okay. I want to ask you, since we’re on the subject of abortion, it was at one point back there when the question of Planned Parenthood came up and you said that it was not Planned Parenthood, it was really planned genocide. Because you said Planned Parenthood was trying to put all these centers into the Black communities because they wanted to kill Black babies–

    CAIN (overlapping): Yes.

    SCHIEFFER: –before they were born. You still stand by that?

    CAIN: I still stand by that.

    SCHIEFFER: Do you have any proof that that was the objective of Planned Parenthood?

    CAIN: If people go back and look at the history and look at Margaret Sanger’s own words, that’s exactly where that came from. Look– look up the history. So if you go back and look up the history– secondly, look at where most of them were built. Seventy-five percent of those facilities were built in the Black community.





    Proof....
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    Google the racist fouder of PP Margaret Sanger, Her agenda was explicitly terminanating as many "Negro" babies as possible.
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    Were 75% built in black communities?
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    Or not:

    Sanger believed that lighter-skinned races were superior to darker-skinned races, but would not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor any refusal to work within interracial projects. Although Sanger's views on race appear archaic from a modern viewpoint, her contemporaries in the African-American community supported her efforts. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem. Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with African-American doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of African-American doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press and African-American churches, and received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, founder of the NAACP. Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.

    From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role – alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble – in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor African Americans. Sanger wanted the Negro Project to include black ministers in leadership roles, but other supervisors did not. To emphasize the benefits of involving black community leaders, she wrote to Gamble "we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." This quote has been used by numerous Sanger detractors, including Angela Davis and the pro-life movement, to support their claims that Sanger was racist. However, according to New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project, Sanger, in writing that letter, "recognized that elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow South, unless clergy and other community leaders spread the word that the Project had a humanitarian aim."


    Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Here is a picture of the left wing heroine Ms Sanger speaking to admirers at a KKK rally:


    [​IMG]



    Let's get the real version of Ms Sanger:


    "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."


    "Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."


    "Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying ... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ... [Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all."


    "The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."




    "Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."


    "Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.Margaret Sanger. "


    Cain spoke the truth to the senile lib interviewer.
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    I don't know where 75% of the first Planned Parenthood clinics were built. I doubt Herman Cain knows where they were built, for that matter.

    He also said that Planned Parenthood was trying to put all these centers into the Black communities because they wanted to kill Black babies–

    Truth is, "all those centers" is really 9% of them.

    Sixty-three percent of abortion clinics are in neighborhoods where more than half the residents are white; about 9% of abortion clinics are in predominately black neighborhoods

    Read more: Cain’s Planned Parenthood ‘Genocide’ Remark | Swampland | TIME.com
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    All quotes are, obviously, taken out of context and without links to supply proper context.

    In other words, epic fail.
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    Concerning the OP The author of the article Martin, was a member of the journolist, which was focused on getting Obama elected, note Mr Martin never did any stories on the accusations of Larry Sinclair in 2008 even though there was a name to the accuser as opposed to this hit job with no one willing to put their name to the accusation, of course at the end of the article (pg4) all the people who worked with Cain and were willing to go on the record supported his position and said they never heard of anything out of line.



    Martin on MSNBC wouldn't even say what any specific allegation was:

    Politico's Martin Dodges Question On Cain Details | NewsBusters.org

    Support from his ex Secretary:

    Cain denies anything happened:

    Cain: “I was falsely accused” of sexual harassment at trade group « Hot Air

    My guess is that is from the Perry or Romney campaign, not the dems they would have saved for Oct 12.
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    The picture out of ocntext?

    What was the context of giving talks to the KKK?


    How pathetic defending a racist baby killer.
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    Amazing how the right cannot have a civil discusssion about Cain, and have to resort to hysteria...
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    Didn't you just edit someone who wrote more than four sentences because it violated a rule???

    You need to credit a source.. alone these quotes mean nothing, there is no context...

    Were things different in 1939 than they are today???
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    Apparently not it seems. Hmmm....9%? 9-9-9-9? :confused2:
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    It seems to me that Planned Parenthood would be more concerned with finding places that are hard to blow up considering the 'baby killer' mentality out there. If I was in charge over there I know I'd jump at a hard target in a black neighborhood over a soft one in a white neighborhood.
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    Let's be very honest about what this is about - YouTube :singing:

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