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    Not that it's a surprise to some of us, but the loony left, not to be confused with the left in general, is showing its true colors (no pun intended) with respect to Herman Cain and the issue of color. The loony left loves to play the race card. To them, everything starts with color. Unless of course, your a person of color who doesn't think like they do. Take these two mental midgets for example. Apparently Cain wants to be white. I'll let you consider why.


    MSNBC Guest: If Cain "Could Become The Color Of Water, He Would Do It" | RealClearPolitics


    Goldie Taylor, writer for a website called The Grio, said if given the chance, Herman Cain would "shed" his skin color to appease conservative white voters. Taylor and other contributors to TheGrio.com appear frequently on MSNBC to discuss issues dealing with race.

    "You know, the way that he raises his candidacy is that he placates a base. And the base that he believes he is after is a right-wing, ultra-conservative base that does not want to either see racism as a dilemma or see it as a way -- or see it as an attack on them," Taylor told MSNBC's Martin Bashir.

    Bashir, the host, accused Cain of wanting to be white in order to please the "base" of white voters. "Goldie you're almost saying that he's trying to denude and diminish his own ethnicity in order to win that base," Mr. Bashir said.

    "That's exactly what I'm saying," Taylor said in response. "What I'm saying is that if he could shed his ethnicity today, if he could become what I would call the color of water, he would do it. He would do it in an effort to prove that he, and people just like him could fit in anywhere and have the same level of success no matter what their race, ethnicity, or gender happened to be. That just doesn't happen to be the case. And so would he shed it? I think he would."
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    Re: Herman Cain and the lefts trouble with a black conservative

    She's a reporter? So she's comparing a fractional segment of the white population, to the black population as a whole? Um...


    Washington Post Reporter Accuses Cain Of Playing "Race Card" | RealClearPolitics


    Nia-Malika Henderson accuses Herman Cain of wanting to live in a post-racial world while playing the "race card."

    "Well, I think, if we could focus a little bit on Herman Cain. I think Herman Cain is on one hand saying we're in a post-racial country, but at the same time he seems to play the race card when it comes to talking about African-Americans. Talking about in the ways in which they vote for Democrats. It's not something that he would, for instance, say about white evangelicals who vote in overwhelming numbers for Bush. Something like 75 or 80%. And for McCain, something like 73%," Nia-Malika Henderson told Chris Matthews on MSNBC's "Hardball."

    "So, I think there is still a grappling this country still has to do with race, but again we'll see obviously on Sunday -- this really moving event with the dedication of the Martin Luther King Jr. memorial and President Obama there as this dream from kind of a book end to Martin Luther King's dream," she added.
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    Re: Herman Cain and the lefts trouble with a black conservative

    The Left Wing Liberal Democrats are having a hard time dealing with this "Right Wing Conservative Black Man" this isn't supposed to happen, many of the "confused" are now walking on eggshells but sooner or later one of them will show THEIR RACIST SIDE, the higher Cain goes in the polls the crazier the loons will become, Cain is a Liberals Worst Nightmare, a "Black Right Winger" God Bless Herman Cain he's got a lot of balls and thats what this country needs, we don't want anymore Slopping Slobbering Do-Gooding Socialist Liberal Saps in the White House.

    Herman Cain will be America's First Black President (Praise God Praise Jesus)
    (Obama is White, so was his mother)
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    Re: Herman Cain and the lefts trouble with a black conservative

    Tell the folks at stormfront that... or see how he would have been treated under Jim Crow...
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    Of course, we all know that conservative blacks can't possibly play the race card, and leave it to white conservatives to focus on what pundits say about race rather than what Cain himself says about it. The fact that Cain lied about why he wasn't involved in the Civil Rights movement (that he was in high school, but would have probably been involved if he had been in college; in fact he was in college for some of the most critical years). As long as Cain keeps marketing himself to white conservatives, he'll find white conservatives who will do his bidding.

    Cain rises by slamming race - CNN.com

    ... he believed the reason blacks don't vote for Republicans is because they're "brainwashed." Days later he went on ABC's "This Week" with Christiane Amanpour and repeated himself. Sunday he went back to CNN and told Candy Crowley that he didn't "believe there is racism in this country today that holds anybody back in a big way," and by Monday he was in the zone, telling Fox's Sean Hannity that he "left the Democrat plantation a long time ago."
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    #11 Jersey

    It seems to me that, when it comes to unemployment, jobs and racism Herman Cain is telling black people what white people think black people need to hear - which does not necessarily mean it adds up to what black people actually know to be true.

    I'm not black, so I don't know. It would be interesting to see a poll based on race as to who supports Herman Cain and why.

    P.S. Does anyone know if Herman Cain plans on attending the Martin Luther King memorial dedication tomorrow?
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    It is always funny when whites tell no lib blacks what they should blieve or that they are saying something "telling black people what white people think black people need to hear", how condescendingly racist.

    It doesn't occur to white libs that black people aren't monolithic. It doesn't occur to white libs that H Cain may be able to think for himself and believe what he says. IMHO it reflects the underlying racism of the left.

    He is another opinion on the use of the uncle tom card by libs.

    Herman Cain Is Black and He Doesn't Smoke Crack - YouTube
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    Oh oh. 13 sez you're condescendingly racist, because you've noticed that he's in love with the idea that a black candidate is in favor of a bunch of stuff that white people want to hear.

    Strange, but I've seen stranger ideas of the definition of "racism" from the rightie end of things.

    I'm sure glad that we're where we are as a society, however, so we can have a debate. Hence 13 and we can all celebrate the dedication of the MLK memorial on the Mall this weekend.

    Wonder if Cain will be there, despite his non-involvement with the civil rights movement.

    Wait, 13, you do acknowledge that MLK was pretty important in the civil rights movement, don't you? And you do think the civil rights movement was a good thing, right?

    Or was the civil rights movement really something Glenn Beck "did in the first place," along with some unspecified "we"?

    Or was it bad to have a civil rights act or a voting rights act, as Ron Paul tells us?

    Please let us know. It's important background stuff, so we all know just who's playing this "condescendingly racist" card.

    By the way, Herman Cain, income group for income group, demographic for demographic? Really bad for you if you're black, based on present facts on the ground.

    Maybe people are just smart enough to know that.

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    Why should he if he chooses not to, this isn't North Korea or China, or Cuba, we still have "freedom".
    I don't know and I could care less but is Barack Hussein Obama attending that event.
    :confused:
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    But most of the right is concerned about the 99% movement and believe it should be stopped or least be lied about..
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    Don't duck the question... Where's your fu(kin flag lapel pin??????
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    #11 Jersey

    Yes, he is.

    Next question?
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    Well, I'm glad you apparently disagree with Cain that blacks have been brainwashed into voting for Democrats. On the idea that blacks can think for themselves we agree.
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    There is an assumption that dems act in their (black people's) best interest, and when we see the vilification of Black people who stray from this assumption it certainly looks a lot like brain washing.
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    Lets play the victim card once again, no one has really villified Cain regarding his race, his politics yes.. compare to the ever present, daily Obama bashing see the number 7 post(which you authored) above.

    Brainwashing does not work in this context and makes no sense....
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    The guys who waste their time talking to each other about how the real racists are anybody who notice racism, institutional or less veiled, are a much more prevalent contingent among whites than blacks. There are tens of millions of blacks, and hundreds of millions of whites in this country. You can find somebody with any pigmentation to spout such nonsense.

    You have a right to your own opinion, black or white. You do not, however, have the right to your own facts.

    The facts on the ground do not at present support the proposition that taking from the poor and giving to the rich advantages African Americans... and it is now becoming evident that dividing-and-conquering is at last a failed policy as well. Whites are also realizing that the problem is not the competition in the middle and the bottom, it's the fact that they're all sinking together, and jockeying for position at the bow of the ship as it slips stern-first beneath the waves.

    Wait I know, "999."

    Feh.

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    So you think blacks in America can't think for themselves. Unless, of course, they agree with you.

    Got it.
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    "There is an assumption that..."

    Pretty cowardly construction there. More grammar policing. Who assumes it? I sure don't.

    All I know is I can examine policy proposals from various viewpoints.

    I can assess blacks, white, armenians, whatever according to what we know by the stats.

    I can compare policy proposals and expected outcomes to the economic interests of any such group.

    I can identify when members of such a group have also learned to examine such proposals.

    I can conclude that it likely has a big impact on why the many, many, members of that group develop a voting pattern, against candidates and parties hostile to their interest, through that specific statistical lens.

    In the case of black voters, since Republicans in general and specifically conservatives repeatedly embrace policy proposals hostile to their common interests, it seems likely to me that they've done the opposite of being "brainwashed."

    They seem, rather, to have identified people who wish to do them harm, and refused to give them their votes.

    Naturally, any given member of a group - white, black, armenian - could place the price of seafood above any such group statistical identifier, if he is a seafood lover.... he could place the importance of olympic training philosophies above said "group" interests... we all have individual interests.

    However, with all other considerations likely to cancel out if they are uncorrelated with one's group interest, the group interest is very likely to be reflected in the group voting pattern.

    Particularly when that group has been enslaved and then systematically oppressed.

    I don't think you ever answered me, 13.

    Are you for or against the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act from the mid 60s?

    Do you think your ideas of those two pieces of legislation are similar to or dissimilar from those of most black voters?

    That.

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    I think it's sick you're all having this conversation. Everyone can think for themselves. If a party or person doesn't appeal to a demographic, its incumbent on that person or party to adjust their message to make it attractive to that demographic, not the other way around.

    That said, I think Cain is delivering a different message. But far too early to measure the results.
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    Hey, wouldn't have to have the conversation if we didn't have the whole "Hey what if really the ground is above us and the sky is below us, and the ground is really the sky?" contingent.

    That said, I actually agree with you. I think Black Americans, like every other kind of American, are absolutely okay with making their own choices on election day.

    I disagree with your "Cain is something new" line. He's got a vastly regressive tax agenda, and nothing else.

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