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    To all those phony "liberals" (viz: those who want the criminals in charge of the asylum), this will make you feel all warm and fuzzy. For the rest of the 98% of humanity, get ready to hurl. [highlight]This is where your tax dollars are going:[/highlight]

    [size=+5]Texas jail was an Animal House, authorities say[/size]

    Mar 16, 5:53 PM (ET)

    By ANGELA K. BROWN

    MONTAGUE, Texas (AP) - For months, perhaps longer, the Montague County Jail was "Animal House" meets Mayberry. Inside the small brick building across from the courthouse, inmates had the run of the place, having sex with their jailer girlfriends, bringing in recliners, taking drugs and chatting on cell phones supplied by friends or guards, according to authorities. They also disabled some of the surveillance cameras and made weapons out of nails.

    The doors to two groups of cells didn't lock, but apparently no one tried to escape - perhaps because they had everything they needed inside.

    The jailhouse escapades - some of which date to 2006, according to authorities - have rocked Montague (pronounced mahn-TAYG), a farming and ranching town of several hundred people near the Oklahoma line, about 65 miles northwest of Fort Worth.

    There were whispers in the past year about an affair between a female jailer and male inmate, but folks dismissed the rumors as small-town gossip. It was not until late last month, when a Texas grand jury returned a 106-count indictment against the former sheriff and 16 others, that the inmates-gone-wild scandal broke wide open.


    My Way News - Texas jail was an Animal House, authorities say


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    They'll ignore this one.
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    Oh, for sure. They always want to go after the guys and gals who try to make a change for the better.

    The faceless mob. Bolsheviks of today. Gutless cowards every single one.



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    This is the problem with electing sheriffs, corrections is a profession not a political football... in this case a Republican, Cunningham beat another Republican Keating in the primary..

    Not quite sure of the connection between the sheriff of Az. has to do with the sheriff of this town.. except they are both republicans...
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    The connection is simple: Joe's way works and these other clown idiots' way does not.



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    Once again you have no clue what you are talking about, you take an article from a local jail with 50 inmates that was run by an elected republican scum who is now under indictment.. and somehow that translates into something that can praise Sheriff Arpaio.. makes no sense.. if Arpaio violates inmates civil rights he needs to be held accountable.. if Keating rapes inmates he needs to be held accountable..

    The world does not work by judging people on how bad they broke the law.. it works in an equal system of justice.. you still never answered the question as to why Arpaio is a "good guy".. most corrections professional do not want to be labeled as good guys, the appropriate term most would prefer is a good administrator or a fair administrator.

    When he makes an exception for Charles Barkley, then he has lost all respect for most people involved in this business.. that was not a fair thing to do.
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    This isn't a binary situation, like say pregnancy, there Foggy one. You don't have to be cruel and inhuman or completely lax. Really all a chief jailer has to do is make sure the punishments are strictly about modifying poor behavior. As long as the punishments aren't about jailers getting off in some sadistic fashion, you're better than 1/2 way home.
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    ... which is precisely what Sheriff Joe Arpaio is all about. This guy's been featured on National Geographic TV, for crying out loud. They're not about to go around promoting bad sheriffs. Or do you think so??

    Anyway, if you don't want a strict jailer, like Joe, you get what this cluster fork story is all about.


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    Shiny beads.. the NatGeo series is lockdown and previews a lot of different correctional programs in the US.. having seen quite a few of these episodes it attempts to humanize the corrections officers, the inmates and the dance they do...

    This thread is about an agenda of a poster, who sees something that makes sense only to that poster and then he keeps posting weak arguments supporting an indefensible initial argument... you do not know what you are talking about, and cannot begin to comprehend how complicated all of this is..

    Here is a basic fact prison administrators are supposed to be strict, by the nature of their job that is what they are supposed to do.. but fairness and equal application of the rules are higher standards.. the Barkley case is an excellent example as to why Arpaio is not a good corrections adminsitrator... he bowed to the media hype...

    You claim that his methods work.. based on what?? Have you seen any longitudinal studies on recidivism?? Has it made illegals think twice about entering this country? The shiny bead theory does not work well when doing program evaluation.
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    The only one dancing around here is you. Dosie do and alibi left ... :singing:...........

    I'm tempted to move to Maricopa just so's I can vote Joe back in!!! :D



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    Personally, I think that Sheriff Joe is a turd dumpling, but, I guess he at least is doing his job for illegals.

    I don't agree on his stance on the war on drugks though. He is clearly wrong on that topic. www.AmericanDrugWar.com
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    I was just going to say this. The one thing I support him on is his stance on illegals, in fact he's one of the ONLY ones who's taken some action on this. Otherwise, he runs a slave farm and has so many law suits pending against him it's mind boggling,but I'm glad he's dealing with the illegal immigrant problem. I'm also glad the violent, nasty criminals are hangin' with him rather than people's neighborhoods:D
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    Another effort at dealing with something you know something about intelligently and you come back with this.. pearls to swine once again..

    Fogical Behavior 4.2 when confronted with overwhelming facts act stupid.. do not deal with the facts and maybe folks will go away.
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    Here, have cookie, Darryl. ..... Feel better now?


    Look, Sheriff Joe ain't perfect -- are you?? anybody?? -- but when it comes to actually doing some "corrections" -- and, by the way, aren't most prisons in America called "Houses of Correction"?????? -- Joe is trying somethings out!!

    Good God, you whiners who complain every time someone tells a convicted criminal he/she won't actually be able to smoke his weed or drink his booze or shoot his drugs or fornicate with his whatevers..... and you get your panties in a bunch!!!

    Just remember: a lot of people don't like Belichick, don't like Brady, don't like the Red Sox, don't like Theo Epstein .... because they bring results!!! So, now you are doing the same thing against Joe. Very, very lame. Nothing but sour grapes.



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    It is none of this, the reality is that this guy is a media whore who plays the press well.. do you really think pink underwear will deter crime?? Humiliating prisoners harkens to days past and has no effect on recidivism.. the reality is that this guy is like a shiny bead, all that glitters is not gold.

    He has a multitude of lawsuits pending against him, on different levels.. you cannot violate someone's rights even if it is for political gain..

    Time and time again you get on your soap box about the constitution, but yet conveniently want to violate the rights of people with aids, people on temporary assistance and prisoners.. the constitution is not a situational document.. you cannot say we want freedom of religion and this is constitutional.. and then come back and try to violate the civil rights of a class of people..

    No one is whining, prisons are a serious business and most folks I know abhor guys like this.. in reality it has no impact on crime, all it does is create feel good press. You have yet to answer why he is a good guy???
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    Which is EXACTLY why there are more lawyer jokes than lawyers. And why the ACLU continues to be the poster child for so much of what is wrong with America.



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    Instead of dealing with the issue and the salient points raised you divert and now switch to the ACLU.. Civil Liberties are largely constitutional safeguards.. you view the constitution as a situational document.. that is not a good thing..

    Are you contending that the civil rights of all people not be upheld??? Or just a select few?? In Nazi Germany not everyone's rights were protected.. get my drift.

    Like it or not prisoners have constitutional rights that have been established in the courts.. in reality Arpaio is a media whore who is not all that good a sheriff.. pink underwear is not a big deal and does not stop recidivism, in reality prisoners do not care about color.. their concern is cleanliness.
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    Instead of talking about Joe Arpaio's success rate as a sheriff, you want to besmirch him with a "media whore" label.

    Yo, dude, if you want "media whore", look no further than Madonna. She's got a new 22-year old boy toy. Only this time around, because she's now older than dirt, the boy toy has a "girl on the side". :eek: And you wonder where supermarket tabloids come from.....


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    As much as you want this to be is it about Joe Arpaio.. not Madonna.. nice try though.
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    Dude, this IS about Joe Arpaio. YOU are the one who threw in the canard of "media whore". You need some perspective on just what "media whore" is. But, you already know that.

    Joe's effective because he is unorthodox. The mainline penitentiary system on America does NOT "correct" much. The usual suspects return again and again. Joe's trying to make the convicts realize they can do better than go to jail. If that's wrong, I wouldn't want him to be "right".



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