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  1. ELOrocks17

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    The Democrat party disgusts me to no end.

    Durbin compares out Marines to Nazi's-not a word from the dems
    Murtha condemns Marines as murderers before a trial-Dems say nothing
    Kerry accuses troops of terrorizing Iraqi civillians-Dems have no comment


    Rush makes an off handed comment about phony soldiers-he recieves a letter signed by 41 seantors condemning him!

    What does that tell you about the lousy dems? Party first all the way!
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    Party first all the way? Many Republican congressmen feel that we should leave Iraq, yet vote to stay. Party first all the way.
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    They keep voting to stay because even though personally think we should leave, they vote to stay because they know its the right thing to do. Liberal dems dont give a crap about whats best for America, they only care about doing whatever it takes to stay in office.
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    That seems like an overly partisan statement. We disagree on how to approach our problems, but I believe we all care about what's best for America. When we look at Iraq, liberals see American lives lost, billions of dollars wasted, a breeding ground for terrorists, civilians dying, museums robbed, corruption rampant, but you see something very different. You're view is colored by your loyalty to Mr. Bush and the Republican Party, I think.

    (At any rate, welcome back ELOrocks. Where have you been?)
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    They have absolutely zero shame. They hate George Bush more than they hate al Qaeda. They celebrate each and every American casuality because it justifies their hatred.
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    Museums robbed? It's a good post Patters, but museums? I just thought that looked a tad out of place. :D End the war, save those museums! I'm teasing buddy.
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    I have no love For Mr Bush, nor the stinking republican party. I am a registered Independent. However, I view them as the lesser of 2 evils.

    (BTW, thanks for the welcome back-been busy the last few months)
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    Hey I'm still mad at Caesar for destroying the Royal Library of Alexandria!
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    Can we see these quotes which you so eloquently describe, not that I don't trust your description of them or anything......:rolleyes:
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    We don't have to see them, we all remember them.
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    DEAN: The idea that we're going to win this war is an idea that, unfortunately, is just plain wrong.

    BOXER: So there's no specific time frame, but I would say the withdrawal ought to start now, right after the elections

    JOHN KERRY: [Our Marines are] Terrorizing women and children in the dark of night.

    JOHN MURTHA: Our troops were killing innocent civilians in cold blood.

    OBAMA: We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

    HOWIE DEAN: I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for. [When asked about the Troop spending bill.]

    SCHUMER: And let me be clear. The violence in Anbar has gone down in spite of the Surge, not because of the Surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from Al Qaeda said to these tribes, "We have to fight Al Qaeda ourselves."



    :singing: :singing: :singing:

    Obama: "[W]hat You Don't Want To Do Is To Play Chicken With The President, And Create A Situation In Which, Potentially, You Don't Have Body Armor, You Don't Have Reinforced Humvees, You Don't Have Night-Vision Goggles." (CNN's "Late Edition," 4/1/07)
    But Obama Pandered To MoveOn.org By Voting Against Funding For The Troops. Obama voted against the Iraq supplemental spending bill.

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    Kerry: Let me--I--first of all, there is so much more that unites Democrats than divides us. And Democrats have much more in common with each other than they do with George Bush's policy right now. Now Joe Lieberman, I believe, also voted for the resolution which said the president needs to make more clear what he's doing and set out benchmarks, and that the policy hasn't been working. We all believe him when you say, 'Stay the course.' That's the president's policy, which hasn't been changing, which is a policy of failure. I don't agree with that. But I think what we need to do is recognize what we all agree on, which is you've got to begin to set benchmarks for accomplishment. You've got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis.

    And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not--

    Schieffer: Yeah.

    Kerry: --Iraqis should be doing that.
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    and the Durbin Nazi quote? Was Murtha lying when he said that? I think not. Not sure what the Boxer and Dean comments have to do with this. And for every "I hate Democrats" quote, you'll find ten Republican quotes that are far more childish. And what exactly do you call the massacre in Haditha? War creates monsters.
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    You can't remember what you did yesterday, never mind these quotes and their context.
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    You asked to see the quotes and I showed them to you. If you wanted to talk about other topics such as "I hate democrats" you should of said so :D.

    I provided just a small snipit of all the things these wackos say. I could go on and on and on about some things republicans say to, but you asked to see what the antitroop democrats said.
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    Here is your Durbin quote-how sad you have forgotten already:

    Here's the controversial quote from Durbin:

    "If I read this to you, and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings,"




    http://heavyarms.tblog.com/archive/2005/06/
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    I don't see anything inaccurate in these quotes, other than, ofcourse, they hurt your feelings:(
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    This is what you said initially:

    "Durbin compares out Marines to Nazi's-not a word from the dems"

    that is not what Durbin said, sounds like a Rush spin job, could give a rat's butt about what he did or did not say, but what I do know is that is the way the right does things takes things out of context and perpetuates the rumor on the internet. What Durbin said and what you say, are two completely different things...
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    Nice to put up these posts, but most are probably taken out of context and this is the right wing spin machine, if you do this why don't you take the next step and show where they come from?? Keep listening to Rush, he knows the truth.. dittoheads rule!!!
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    Can we say "grasping at straws"? That is an exact quote of what he said. Rush spin job? Oh please. there is no need to spin the BS lies and shamefull behavior of the liberal dems.
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    First of all Durbin does not even mention a branch of the service, nevermind the Marines.. so everything in the alleged quote becomes spin, keep listening Rush knows the truth.
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    Sure, I'll give ya what context they where in:

    DEAN: The idea that we're going to win this war is an idea that, unfortunately, is just plain wrong.

    BOXER: So there's no specific time frame, but I would say the withdrawal ought to start now, right after the elections

    JOHN KERRY: [Our Marines are] Terrorizing women and children in the dark of night.
    “They [US soldiers] told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.” Then, continuing his theme that US soldiers “terrorize”, commented on CBS’ Face the Nation: “There is no reason that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the—of the historical customs, religious customs.” Of course, Kerry never backed up his claims with anything even remotely resembling facts.

    JOHN MURTHA: Our troops were killing innocent civilians in cold blood.
    On May 17, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) let the news slip out. In the middle of a rambling statement at the outset of a news conference on Capitol Hill, he said -- almost as an aside -- that what happened in Haditha was "much worse than reported in Time magazine." He asserted that the investigations would reveal that "our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

    OBAMA: We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

    HOWIE DEAN: I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for. [When asked about the Troop spending bill.]
    This is one of many many quotes for Howie Dean. He tosses that word "Hate" around, as well as "Idiotic" and "Moronic" when talking about Republicans, Troops... and in this particular case, Troop spending bills (Body armor and tanks and whatnot)

    SCHUMER: And let me be clear. The violence in Anbar has gone down in spite of the Surge, not because of the Surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from Al Qaeda said to these tribes, "We have to fight Al Qaeda ourselves."
    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2007/09/blog-post.html
    [SIDE NOTE ABOUT SCHUMER
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237
    HE VOTED FOR THE WAR.]



    Obama: "[W]hat You Don't Want To Do Is To Play Chicken With The President, And Create A Situation In Which, Potentially, You Don't Have Body Armor, You Don't Have Reinforced Humvees, You Don't Have Night-Vision Goggles." (CNN's "Late Edition," 4/1/07)
    But Obama Pandered To MoveOn.org By Voting Against Funding For The Troops. Obama voted against the Iraq supplemental spending bill.

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    Kerry: Let me--I--first of all, there is so much more that unites Democrats than divides us. And Democrats have much more in common with each other than they do with George Bush's policy right now. Now Joe Lieberman, I believe, also voted for the resolution which said the president needs to make more clear what he's doing and set out benchmarks, and that the policy hasn't been working. We all believe him when you say, 'Stay the course.' That's the president's policy, which hasn't been changing, which is a policy of failure. I don't agree with that. But I think what we need to do is recognize what we all agree on, which is you've got to begin to set benchmarks for accomplishment. You've got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis.

    And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not--

    Schieffer: Yeah.

    Kerry: --Iraqis should be doing that.




    Also, heres a few more:

    Harry Reid: "The surge has failed." (before the surge started)

    Dick Durbin: "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime that had no concern for human beings."

    Harry Reid: "This war is lost."

    Ted Kennedy: "Our soldiers picked up where Saddam's henchmen left off."



    Also, my all time favorite compilation:
    Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
    Vote Number: 237
    Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM
    Required For Majority: 1/2
    Vote Result: Joint Resolution Passed
    \\Democrats who voted "Yes" to give the USA authority in Iraq. (Twenty Seven)
    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Biden (D-DE), Yea
    Breaux (D-LA), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Daschle (D-SD), Yea
    Dodd (D-CT), Yea
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Edwards (D-NC), Yea
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hollings (D-SC), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Miller (D-GA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
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    Your context is a blog of a Right Winger, yea that has credibility, remember that next time someone publishes something from Huffington Post.. any one of these quotes can be taken out of context, the right is very good at this. This is the problem of the RW sheeple, just throw it against the wall see what sticks.
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    Actually I used several different websites including a few of the reps websites and senate.gov. I used huffington post to grab one or two things for that compilation.
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    Yes...if only you could dismiss the FACTS so easily..its going to take a little more than whining about it bieng on a right wing site makeing it untrue--nice try though...
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    There is no whining, only the facts.. bottom line is anyone of these quotes could be taken out of context and used innapropriately, maybe that works for you, but color me skeptical.. I just don't believe everything I see in any blog, never mind in a right wing one.. If you want to believe it go ahead.
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    I understand that quotes can be taken out of context and I have seen both sides use it. However, when you have every single one of the lead demos saying stuff like this... theres really no need to take anything out of context. The senate is full of wackos. Lying cheating stealing criminals that only care about making money. Take the quotes as you will, congress approval rating still 11%.
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    So that makes it ok to stretch the truth and take things out of context, come on now there has to be some accountabillity here. They might be wacky, but they deserve a fair shake as does anyone else. You have not proven they have said or that the quotes are not taken out of context, all you have proved is that a rw web site keeps track of this kind of stuff.
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    So are you denying they said those quotes, which btw - are not taken out of context - they ARE the context? I copyed the exact quotes from senate.gov, wikipedia, several blogging websites? Im sure if you dig deep enough a few news papers will have it to? In fact, I read a few weeks ago in the NYT of all places...
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    But you did not credit them as you should have, to just post stuff and expect people to believe it does not work for me.. if I post something like this I credit the source and avoid articles from Blogs. Anyone can post something and then later say they researched it, it does not make any sense. All of a sudden Wikipedia is a credible source, guess it is the old flip flopping.. blogs are not always credible, I would go back to the source that the quote comes from, this is expected.

    Same thing that was said about Durbin and the Marines, closer inspection of the quote indicated that Durbin did not mention any branch of the service, nevermind the Marines.
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    Right, I'm not disputing you on Dick's comments about the marines - because I know he never mentioned any branch of the service. Look at the quote I put in there. It has no mention of the marines. It does however compare Americans to Nazis.

    Also, wikipedia has always been a credible source for me, Iv never fought that. I use it all the time in my psych classes :cool: And yea, I should of put links in originally ... I normally do.

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