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    I read the article below this am.

    Andrew Walter provides little confidence - BostonHerald.com

    Clearly BB wants to add some veteran competition to the Qb mix. Sounds good to me.

    This comment by Karen G. stuck out.

    "Judging by what’s gone on at practice, it looks very much like O’Connell needed to have a fire lit under him. Maybe he was getting a little too complacent with his role and they want him to have to earn the job."

    Has anyone seen O'Connell acting/performing in a way that would lend to the notion that he is not cut out for this program? I wish she would have provided some examples that would back her assessment. I have not been to TC yet (going Friday) so I personally cannot comment on what the basis may be for her commentary.

    She goes on to write this, which I don't disagree with.

    "If they were really worried about O’Connell, and didn’t think he was going to develop, they would have signed someone who would have been a clear-cut No. 2 like Brian Griese, someone who would have eliminated any thought of competition."

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Karen doesn't like Walter.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    We're all just guessing, my guess is that they will want the backup to know the offense more than Walter will by Week 1 and the O'Connell is entrenched as the backup but they see more developmental potential in Walter than in Gutierrez.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Her comment starts with "maybe" and offers no supporting evidence, other than Walter's presence. Pure conjecture on her part, unfounded in any observed behaviour of K O'C. Somewhat irresponsible.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    KOC has struggled out of the gate. TB didn't in year 2. Neither did MC. Both earned the #2 slot. KOC had it handed to him by default. I do think BB is sending a message. Especially since Hoyer and Walter have been getting the majority snaps for a couple of days. The message is earn it NOW.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    If she said that he was making all kinds of mental mistakes and BB was making him run to Wrentham and back, then her conjecture would be a little more founded.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    The evidence is there. It's in the snaps. Including Hoyers.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    def. agree w/ you
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    FWIW I opined that Gutz would be the first casualty if BB was concerned about KOC. Tommy's pal who doesn't post much here anymore said over on the planet that Gutz has shoulder concerns. So they likely needed someone they felt they could count on with some potential for advancement behind the kid who is where he is by default. The job is still clearly KOC's to loose, but they want someone who can play behind him in case he does...as well as someone who can legitimately push him so he doesn't continue to believe the job remains his by default.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    It's fun to talk Hoyer with him... :singing:
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    I don't recall Matt ever being thought of as earning a number 2 spot. He was constantly the weakest link. As I recall wasnt Testerverde the number 2 Matts 2nd and 3rd year?
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Agree 100%. Most people perform better when someone is pushing for their job. I do think that is what BB has in mind here in the move for Walter.

    O'C doesn't strike me as a lolly-gagger or someone who is complacent (if so, I would think he'd be gonzo by now). I just wish that she stated O'C needed a fire lit under his butt and in that same paragraph cite examples that back her opinion. IMO her reporting was a bit on the lazy-side. Thats all.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?


    Recollection is a funny thing. No, Testeverde was never a #2 here. He signed on for camp and was cut in Matt's 2nd year and we went with only 2 QB, Brady and Cassel. They picked Vinny up after the bye and he finished out the season as the "veteran presence" and #3. In year 3 we signed Gutierrez and he was the #3 to Cassel's #2.

    Cassel displaced the immortal LSU and NFLE hero Rohan Davey as #3 behind Flutie and Brady in the year he was drafted after never taking a snap since HS...
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    I enjoy his insights that are based on what he hears a lot more than his bs about what he knows. The planet does strange things to some, and in his case it's been a real mixed bag...
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Yeh, but O'Callaghan knows he's in a dog fight for a roster spot, pity he's dinged up again.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Are you of the opinion that he is turtle-ing to the competition? Just trying to read your tone.

    IMO. I dont think he makes this team. He started the first few games in 06 too, got hurt and hes been IR ever since. Too bad. Hes a big boy.
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    I think Box is tweeking you because O'C to him is O'Callaghan, one of his beloved :D OL binkies and KOC is another whole topic...backup quarterbacks.
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    No prob being tweaked....:D
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Karen, like everyone else, has no idea what BB is doing. BB brings in people no one seems to like, practices things like Troy Brown on defense and at QB, takes intentional safeties, gets Flutie to kick, gets Testaverde to throw a TD in a blowout. He's a kooky dude. That's why we like him. That, and the fact that he wins.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Am I the only one sick of "journalists" making off the cuff remarks about a player and not backing it up with any examples. It just seems like lazy journalism to me. I think if you say something derogatory about someone you should back it up. For example So and so is a lazy player and heres an example: Too often the journalists in this town become the story.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Karen's not the worst. Unfortunately you have to give the editor a story EVERY day, even when there isn't one. This shouldn't be news to anyone who has followed the media here for very long.

    At any rate these stories and most posts are full of SPECULATION, and all too often this speculation tends to be reported as FACT.

    Here are the simple facts. The Pats felt that Walter would be better than Gutts. At the end of camp the 2 or 3 best QBs will remain on the roster. One of them will be Tom Brady. Hoyer will most likely end up being on the PS. The rest will be decided by who plays best from here on out.

    BTW- NEVER take too much to heart how many snaps one player is getting over another over a short period of time. There are lots of reasons why the coaches are giving snaps to one player or another. If you have gone to practice the last 2 days, you would leave sure that JEdelman is a starter.....Trust me....HE ISN'T. But for this small period of camp, he is getting the opportunity to work with the first group in SOME of the personell packages. Is it coaches decision? Is it because others aren't practicing? We can only guess, and when we do, our "guesses" sometimes become concidered facts. ;)
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Sanity at last!
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    What's his take - what he hears or what he thinks he knows - on Hoyer?
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    I guess you're not subscribed to BB's insider e-mails, where he talks about his thoughts about who's going to make the 53 and who isn't. It also includes injury updates. ;)
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Hmmm. I think you're wrong on all three counts.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    Depends on whose posts he read and when, doesn't it?
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    I don't agree with that. MC was a pleasant surprise since the day he showed up at his 1st camp. There were all kinds of reports about this kid who never even played in college looking the part on the Patriots practice field.

    Then MC played pretty well in his first couple of preseasons. He didn't appear to be a weak link until the 2008 preseason. Up until then he had always looked good.

    The team brought in Flutie in 05 (MC's rookie year) to be #2 but MC was #2 every year after that. In the 2005 season finale against Miami, Cassel played well in relief of Brady and nearly led a late comeback that was derailed when they missed a 2 pt conversion to end the game (which may have been intentional since I doubt BB wanted to go into OT with their first playoff game the next week.

    Testeverdee was never #2. It was more of a gimmick thing to give him a shot to be part of the team. He was cut after the 06 training camp and then resigned late in the year so he could enjoy the playoff run. MC was always the #2 though.
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    Re: Herald Article By Karen G. Today- Huh?

    In fact, one of the reasons Flutie cited for retiring was the fact that, by the end of the season, Cassel had already beaten him out for the #2 spot.

    Actually, his motivation was even stronger than that. At the time, the playoff seeding looked like this:

    1 Indianapolis Mannings
    2 Denver Donkeys
    3 Cincinnati Bengals(!)
    4 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
    5 Jacksonville Jaguars
    6 Pittsburgh Squealers

    In any case, if Cincinnati lost its Week 17 game, and New England won against the LOLphins, the Patriots would have moved up to the 3 spot—which meant that the Pats would get the Steelers for their wild card matchup.

    IIRC, it became pretty darn clear that Cincinnati was sandbagging that day ("Here, New England, have the #3 seed; we don't mind!"); BB was not amused. As a result, Cassel "mysteriously" overthrew that final 2-point conversion attempt. If BB really had wanted to win that game, a little OT wouldn't have stopped him.
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