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  1. Patters

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    Many conservatives claim to be deeply concerned about the unborn, but I think some of them only like the issue because (1) it costs nothing, (2) it maintains male domination of women. But, maybe I'm wrong. What do you favor doing to help the newly born. The article seems to say the difference between us and other modern nations is that we lack national health care and don't provide enough maternity leave. (When I was in Sweden, a new parent got 6 months of paid maternity leave or both parents could have 3 months off at the same time.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Infant-Mortality.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    CHICAGO (AP) -- America may be the world's superpower, but its survival rate for newborn babies ranks near the bottom among modern nations, better only than Latvia.

    Among 33 industrialized nations, the United States is tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000 babies, according to a new report. Latvia's rate is 6 per 1,000.

    ''We are the wealthiest country in the world, but there are still pockets of our population who are not getting the health care they need,'' said Mary Beth Powers, a reproductive health adviser for the U.S.-based Save the Children, which compiled the rankings based on health data from countries and agencies worldwide.

    The U.S. ranking is driven partly by racial and income health care disparities. Among U.S. blacks, there are 9 deaths per 1,000 live births, closer to rates in developing nations than to those in the industrialized world.
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    Yes, our healthcare system sucks. We all know this.
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    #24 Jersey

    I bet we have the most alcohol and drug abuse among pregnant women too. Coincidence ?
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    Why would you bet that?

    I wouldn't guess that, but it would also be another indication that our healthcare system sucks and our education system sucks.
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    #24 Jersey

    Why would I bet that ? Well pregnancies actually aren't that complicated. Don't abuse yourself and your fetus, take a walk here and there, there's not a lot more to it. I know my wife didn't do anything to have a healthy baby. Just don't abuse it.

    For the second part, if you were to assume it, I don't think it indicts our healthcare or education systems. You shouldn't be getting f*cked up when pregnant - duh.
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    Actually, I was referring to the higher rate of alcohol and drug abuse, not the infant mortality rate.
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    #24 Jersey

    Right, I was using backwards logic. We know there's a lot of drug and alcohol use among the poor in this country. As as I am asserting that you don't need to take extraordinary care of yourself to have a healthy pregnancy, I am using my favorite 2+2=4 and concluding that a high infant mortality rate isn't caused by a lack of care but by an overly high rate of abuse by the mother.
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    I understand what you were getting at, I just don't see how you can assume that without some more proof.
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    #24 Jersey

    I didn't say I know for sure. But it's a reasonable assumption. It's actually quite difficult to screw up a fetus short of physical or chemical abuse. This country is so quick to blame some institution when it needs to look at the individuals instead.
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    I don't think it's that reasonable of an assumption. Just too many factors involved to assign it so easily. I'd say it's possible, but lots of things are possible.
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    #24 Jersey

    I think it's more likely than just following the Patters' Solution of throwing more money at every institution he can think of.
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    With almost 50 million uninsured Americans, it should be NO surprise that the RICHEST nation on earth has one of the HIGHEST infant mortality.



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    I still don't see how insurance would affect infant mortality.
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    A person without health insurance has less access to medicines, tests, procedures, education, follow-up, and hospitalization than someone with insurance.
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    OTOH used to work in a Female Correctional Facility, appalled by the number of sonograms they used to give to pregnant girls along with all of the extraneous tests they offered as the State was self insured with regards to medical bills. The point being if the bill will be paid, over test, if the bill is not going to be paid then undertest and do not detect problems early.

    I would like to know the % of babies who died are involved in the group of people who are considered transient, homeless and migrant... who may not be able to access medical systems.
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    #24 Jersey

    Clearly. But my claim is that pregnancies pretty much just happen. What medicines, tests and procedures do you want us to pay for exactly ? Like I said, just get a little excercise, stay away from drugs and alcohol and have the father not beat you up and I bet our numbers would be much better looking.
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    I think you're right about all of those factors - goes without saying. Back in the day when there was virtually no pre-natal care beyond "Yep, you're pregnant. See you in 9 months", I'm sure the mortality rate was higher, especially in rural America, which was a much larger part of the population then.

    Also consider the rise in neo-natal childhood diseases and disorders. Many believe - and the statistics are backing it up - that many neurological disorders are attributable to exposure to mercury and other heavy metals through vaccinations and pollution. Asthma is also increasing in urban industrial areas. These factors have less to do with the health care system and more to do with irresponsible drug companies and polluters. But the children and parents who are effected by these problems would certainly benefit from better health care options.
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    Why is it that Socialist Liberals never seem to want to mention MEDICAID MEDICAID?

    There is a women that lives in the projects and has five kids by five different guys, gets food stamps, a check every month, and gets help with her rent and heat. (she does a couple of tricks a week to pay for her cocaine)

    There is a women a few streets over that has three kids, her husband is a "Sit Com Husband" he moved out and is shacking up with a women he works with, he takes the kids to the zoo once a month. This women (the wife) works two jobs, pays for daycare, PAYS FOR HER OWN HEALTH CARE and pays for all the other things it takes to survive in the New America. Lover boy (her husband) gives her a few bucks now and then.

    The women that is working her ass off to raise her children has a Fine Doctor she pays big bucks for "Health Insurance"

    The women from the Project has the SAME DOCTOR, she PAYS NOTHING, FREE HEALTH.

    Why do Liberals wail about the poor not having Health Care, they have better health care than some of you do AND IT'S FREE it's called MEDICADE MEDICADE (dental included)
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    Are you referring to MEDICAID?

    MEDICARE is the government insurance YOU are enjoying now so you can spend your time at home chatting with strangers on the internet.


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