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  1. patsfan13

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    Don't watch TV so I didn't see this. shockingly clueless. BO can't think on his feet.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/07/021056.php




    Well we've seen him throw grandma, his spiritual mentors and his real estate advisor and his chitown political sponsor under the bus why not the sacrifices of US troops and the nation of Iraq under the bus...
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    Yea but just think of all those beautiful speeches, imagine how the world will envy us when Prince Barack gives his first State Of The Union Speech, Democrats will be fainting and dropping like flys, Chris Matthews will have to be put in a straight jacket to stop his "leg tremors".

    GOD DAMN AMERICA
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    you people are grasping for anything these days.....

    The 'surge' should've happened when we illegally invaded Iraq. Funny how politicians are saying "The surge worked".....jeeezzzzzzz.....Sinsheke and Powell were saying we needed 4-500,000 troops back in 2004.

    Dumbest quote:

    "Opposing the Bush administration's policy on Iraq, even if that opposition turned out to be wrong"

    REALLY? seems like Bush's policy of sky-falling WMDs invasion, occupation, and torture is what he opposes. That POLICY is 100% wrong, the surge has proven that.

    Keep grasping for things.....

    The American public wants our troops out, The Iraqi government wants our troops out, the troops want to some home......Our President wants us to stay....and 'win' but can only define that as a HORIZON (somthing which can only be seen and never reached)

    Protecting the world from WMDs...
    Liberating....
    Stand down when they stand up...
    making porogress....
    benchmarks....
    we will leave when they ask us to....
    Time horizon....

    well.....all of the terms have been met, and this war that has now lasted longer than WW2 should end as well. I'm wondering what the next excuse will be. They are runningout of BS to feed to foolios.

    Declare victory, or "mission accomplished" whatever helps you sleep at night. and bring our brave men and women HOME!!!

    HD
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    #24 Jersey

    That may be true but it's irrelevant to the point. Maybe things were f*cked before the surge. But at the time of the vote, before the surge, how would he vote ? And he would vote against success.
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    At the time...all of the consultants were saying that we needed to reduce our presence there. Bush's 'surge' went against almost every analysts assesment of the situation. Voicing opposition to a cxommander in chief who had managed to trip every fail wire in his journey into Iraq was the patriotic and correct view at the time.

    GREAT! Surge worked!....(Said liek Harry Carry's "Cubs WIN!!!)

    I applaud the strategy that we should've employed from the get-go. Now.....

    WHY did we surge? so we could occupy Iraq, and keep getting our soldiers killed? NO...it was to get out. It was so that the government would stand up...they have.

    Now GET OUR TROOPS HOME!
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    #24 Jersey

    Was it a bad decision that worked out well ? Maybe, maybe not. But that's moot. It DID work out well and Obama says that he would have opposed it even if he'd known it would work. We all know playing the lottery is a bad bet. But if you knew for sure (legally) what the numbers were beforehand wouldn't you play ? Obama is saying he wouldn't.
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    #24 Jersey

    Obama is gonna send them to Africa last I heard (after Afghanistan). They aren't coming home - in fact Obama has a much larger desire to nation build than Bush ever dreamed of.
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    you are really gunna have to back that crap up. Thats a lot of inside confidential info you seem to have.

    Didn't know you were neck deep in the Obama campaign, and privy to such top secret information.
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    I see your point, but his positional stance remaining the same is pure politics. It would be like McCain all of the sudden changing his stance on campaign finance reform, or tax cuts to the wealthy...it makes you look weak.....oh.......wait.....
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    #24 Jersey

    Obama has been clear and consistent about send U.S. forces to Darfur. How many ? Well he never gives details. But it's not a minor issue over there and it always falls mostly on the U.S. You either ignore Africa or find a big task on your hands and there's no reason to believe he's going to ignore it.
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    After all the Crap this country has taken over this Iraq war if that Barack Hussein Obama Mother F-cker sends American Troops to DIE IN AFRICA the American people should march on Washington and burn the White House to the ground with that son of a b!tch in it.
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    BO has stated many times that he would send more troups to Afghanistan. So has he changed his mind and decided to send them to Darfur instead? or to both? or to Mexico? Anyone have Obama's latest statements regarding his plans for our troups.
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    #24 Jersey

    Kind of the other way around, he was yacking about Darfur :

    "Next, the United States should support the immediate deployment of an effective international force to disarm militia, protect civilians and facilitate delivery of humanitarian assistance in Darfur."

    Before he clinched the nomination and had to move to the middle (thus his talk about Afghanistan) he was talking more about Darfur. That's where his real interest is. And I don't believe this international force crap, we know how it always ends up.
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    He's a smooth talking, double talking, arrogant slimey politician, he will say and do anything to "win" and every politically correct "racist" in America doesn't care what he does, he is their Messiah, voting for Prince Barack is just another way of sticking it up Traditional America's a$s, even they are in for a big surprise with this guy.
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    More from BO talking with cutie couric:

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-tells-katie-couric-surge-worked.html


    So IOW even though the surge has worked.....and he doesn't know if his 'strategy' would have worked (it wouldn't have) it was a bad idea to do the surge....however he is proposing we do a surge in Afghanistan......OOOOKKKKKKKKK,

    what a doofus.
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    The Press didn't cover this conversation:

    from gateway pundit:


    Heard Kery on the tube the dems have beenn forced to acknowledge the success in Iraq, but don't want to credit the surge, they credit the 'great awakening' among the Sunni tribal leaders, apparently the Sunni's appreciate the US military more than the dems and Obama.
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    So, the surge worked, but there might have been other solutions too. That's a reasonable point of view by Obama. Had we used diplomacy at almost any point since 2000, it could have resulted in fewer deaths and less destruction. Mistakes were made all along the way, and there's no way of knowing how other approaches might have worked. The point is, the idea that opposing the surge was defeatist is Republican spin. Opposing the surge is not defeatist. Their were other options. But, can Obama get that across? I think he's doing okay in that regard.
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    #24 Jersey

    It is absolutely not reasonable to say : I know the surge worked. If I knew it would work I still would vote against it and, instead, support something that may or may not work.

    It's lunacy. If you ever go to Vegas and win a big bet on a football game, is it a reasonable idea to give your winning ticket to someone else for his ticket in an equal amount to a game that hasn't started yet ? No, of course not - unless you don't care about winning.
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    Diplomacy?
    Just who were we to have diplomacy with?
    You need 2 parties ... 2 governments to have diplomacy.
    Then you need cooperation ... the surge worked because it
    removed the 3rd and 4th parties ... al-qeada and the Iranian backed Mahdi army.
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    #24 Jersey

    The funny thing about all this is one of the legitimate complaints the Dems have about Bush is he won't admit when he's wrong and change course. Well Obama is showing himself to be EXACTLY the same. Just admit it worked and, in hindsight, was the right thing to do - it's OK.
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