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  1. Box_O_Rocks

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    I'm watching Evans runs in the TD series that put the Pats up 27-0. Last night several people were bashing him for his efforts - what a bunch of pee pots! Golly gee whiz, some people will complain if the dollar bill they find on the ground is a 1 instead of a 5. Heath had some good 'no quite' running against a stacked defense. If BB wants a clock-killer to back up Dillon, instead of Cobbs as an understudy third down specialist, he isn't doing too badly to consider Evans.
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    clock killing u need to be able to pound it..1 yard-2yard gains dont do that
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    Right. You can't kill the clock when you go three-and-out after a series of 1-yard runs
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    Yup, complaining about getting steak instead of a burger. Don't bother watching the plays, you'll wind up complaining about your dill pickle not being sour enough.
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    Heath's OK... I think I'd rather have Cobbs. I know he's not a FB, but Mills could do that. I like Heath's style, but he IS a 2-yarder.
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    I was surprised with Cobbs this last game. He runs alot bigger than he is. I thought he put in some really tough yards. After this last game I'd much rather keep Cobbs. We're so deep at running back, so why not hold on to someone with alot of upside and a possible successor to Faulk? I like Heath, but he's a dime a dozen running back, Cobbs is not.
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    How much have we seen Cobbs run against starters?
    How much have we seen Evans run agaisnt starters?
    Does this have anything to do with the evaluation of the two RBs?
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    That works both ways as they both aren't running behind a starting O-line, and I see Cobbs creating alot more yards behind the same O-line as Evans. And I'm pretty sure Cobbs doesn't run slower depending which string he's playing against. Actually, hasn't Evans been getting time with the starters and still averaging less than 3 YAC?
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    I see roster competition between Evans, Cobbs and Mills. Yes, it's a FB vs a 3rd down RB vs a TE/FB. Of the 3 Mills has done the least in pre-season.

    It will come down to contributions on STs plus the intangible evaluation of 'potential upside' by the coaches.
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    Cobbs ability to bounce outside puts him over Evans. IMHO.
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    This is the point...Mills. If Mills will be doing TE/FB duties...then the arguement is not Evans or Cobbs...its Evans or Mills. And Mills stays. Until further notice...that is the point.
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    That is a consideration for which will help the team most; the point of this thread was to note the "Sox Sniper" attitude of some who took pot shots at Evans last night, when you could see him running well against a stacked defense. Cobbs and Evans are two entirely different running styles, each has a specific value to the organization. Without taking into consideration the different styles and the different plays called for each, not to mention the different situations, and you wind up looking at basic stats for an erroneous conclusion.
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    Mills beats out Evans for FB. Therefore...Cobbs stays. Zuma has spoken.
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    While running backs beating up on DB's are a big fan (and player) favorite. I'm not sure how much damage they really do. Evans has had some good runs in a stacked line but Cobbs, at 5'9" and 210, looked like toothpaste coming out of a tube for 3.5 yds on one play that would have stacked Evans up,IMO. The kid can run inside.
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    good points.

    Cobbs has great speed and field vision

    Mills -he's flexible (TE/FB)-we haven't seen enough game time-but he has has some productive practices

    I still can't forget Heath's impact when he started the Miami game....it was very nice. He has power but again....which one can do more for the team NOW?

    I wish they could all stay!
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    Sure he can, and he may be the next "Little" Joe Morris or Tiki Barber, but he could also be another Kevin Faulk, who can also pound it up inside, just not always with the results we like. Dillon, Maroney, Evans, and Pass are all better suited for that role if needed. I'd rather groom Cobbs as another third down specialist and have him surprise defenses with an occasional inside run, and extend his career for the betterment of the team - if he makes the cut.
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    I taped the game but havent had a chance to watch it yet,any plays that show us Evan's blocking ability?If its decent and he can play ST,good chance he will stick around,IMO.
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    I agree completely. In addition, Mills is Evans replacement.
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    I'm not so sure they are going to go with 2 FB's. Not saying impossible...just doubtful.
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    Bingo.....
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    Three years from now, would you rather have Maroney and Evans or Maroney and Cobbs?
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    I'd like Maroney and someone much better than Cobbs, another Maroney.

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    OK. You think Beisel is solid and, if I read you correctly, you think Evans would be a better choice than Cobbs if the Pats were to keep one of them. Any other bubble players that you recommend ? - that's a genuine interest question, not some poke.
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    Come on guys can we get serious here for a minute.

    Patrick Cobb's upside is Tiki Barber or Kevin Faulk redux.
    Heath Evan's upside is Ron Dayne.

    Ummm any questions?

    I think if you're talking about keeping the best PLAYER then Cobbs makes the 53. There is no way you're going to convice me H. Evans has more talent or upside than Cobbs after what I've seen from them both.
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    Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear, I do not care to type "he sucks" and consider it an accurate assessment of a player's performance or value to the New England Patriots - my football team of choice. I don't ever recall writing that Beisel was solid; talented and improving yes, a player who has a lot of room for growth in the Belichick defensive system. Whether he can ever actually fill the role isn't my call or yours, as a fan who wants to understand the game and not just vent my spleen, I choose to look at what he does in the context of the game, which includes 21 other players on the field, and try to see what BB and Pees might be seeing - he is still on the club, I assume the coaches aren't doing it so they can look at his wife's picture in his locker everyday. If and when he gets cut, he's gone and I don't intend to obsess about him, there will be new players to analyze and cheer for.

    Again, Cobbs vs. Evans was not the point of this thread, though some have sought to discuss that here. While in the chat room and catching up in the game thread afterward, there were people attacking Evans' running during the goal line series. I didn't get to see the game until the replay the next day, so I did not weigh in. Yesterday, watching that series on NFL Network, I was again irritated at the people who seemingly blindly attack a player's effort without any thought to the situation. Evans ran with effort, the kind people should appreciate. He got hit and didn't give up, the Redskins' players had to gang tackle him when he wasn't geting hit in the backfield because a lineman missed a block. His effort to get into the endzone on a one yard run was excellent, the kind of effort I want to see from a player fighting to make the roster. Whether he or Cobbs is the better fit for how BB puts the club together this year is an engaging discussion, it isn't helped by blindly typing 'he sucks' or equivalent.

    mgteich and others have started roster threads, there you can discuss the relative merits of a smaller, quicker back verses a larger, slower back in terms of what you think the team structure will look like. Both have value to the club, it is extremely unlikely both will be kept. I have no problem with someone saying they prefer Cobbs because he may have Tiki Barber upside. I have no problem with someone saying they want Evans because he will wear down a defense more when BB starts grinding the game out to protect a lead. Both are valid viewpoints and worthy of discussion.

    As far as "bubble" players and recommendations, every player that is currently on this roster has been working hard and trying to improve. For example: I can look at the play of an Eddie Freeman, whom I expect to get cut this time around, and tell you there is talent there, with further work he could be a servicable reserve DL in the system. But there are other young players, such as Santonio Thomas, who are ahead of him because Thomas (in this case) spent a year on the Practice Squad and has a better grasp of the 3-4, two gap techniques. He also has had the benefit of Woicik and Nash in the off-season program, as well as more film and classroom time with Pepper and Seymour and Warren and BB. Thomas is a hard cut, Freeman is an easier one because he is far behind the other "young" players who can grow and develop for a role in the system. LeKevin Smith is an easy cut because he is eligible for the Practice Squad, he should clear waivers with little trouble and be available to work with there. Sullivan is not an easy cut, neither is Klecko, both have value to the organization, neither is Practice Squad eligible. If I had to fill out the DL roster behind Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Green, and Wright, I'd choose Thomas and Sullivan, both are better suited for BB's 3-4, both played well or showed improvement in their playing techinique and their hustle. Klecko gets the pink slip because they have greater upside in the system, and I think there is a slightly better chance Klecko remains available on the shadow roster.

    I hope that helps you understand what I am thinking as players are discussed and evaluated here.
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    Anybody who's watched the last 3 preseason games should have noticed the following:

    1) Garret Mills is a great route runner, but has no idea how to play FB and he totally blows as a lead blocker at this point in his career.
    2) Cobbs is a really good-looking runner, but can't block or pick up the blitz. That makes him unusable this year.
    3) Evans plays ST, is a very good lead blocker and pass blocker, and can certainly run the ball if necessary.

    I think Cobbs is looking at the PS. Mills will obviously make the team, but may see a lot of inactive duty early on in the season. Evans is on the bubble regardless of what happens to the other guys. His roster spor is really a factor of what happens at other positions, how much he can contribute on ST, and how close Pass is to coming back. But I do think Evans has more to contribute THIS year than either Mills or Cobbs.
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    The pro-Cobbs case - he has potential to be a Kevin Faulk replacement possibly with better up the middle running skils (but we don't need or want one now).

    I have revised my outlook and think that BB will keep players who can perform well in December/January game conditions with playoffs on the line. That would be big back Evans.
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    I have to disagree on point 3, Evans remains a poor blocker, even if he is ahead of Mills blocking at this stage. Cobbs has actually done a better job of blitz pick-up than I expected, not Faulk by any means, but his guy rarely pressures Cassel, and he is getting the right guy.
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    Box, I sincerely hope you feel better now! :D

    To use your analogy, Cedric Cobbs is the $20 bill that got lost in the laundry machine. I just saw a highlight of him running well for the Broncos. Chapman is the $5 bill that was swiped by the Colts. Evans is the $1 bill that we found under the car seat in desperation at the toll booth.

    And to use your other analogy, what makes my pickle taste sour as all get out is the fact that Cobbs will most absolutely without any shadow of a doubt be poached from our Practice Squad in a flash after his good showing in the pre-season, just like Cobbs and Chapman were gobbled up. Not even a question that anybody who runs through would be tacklers for ten yards at a time in some instances and gets a couple touchdowns will be gone. Scrubs or no scrubs. There were scouts at all our games, and who has flashed more than Cobbs on offense this year amoung our back-ups?
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    Dillon, Maroney, Faulk, and Mills are locks. That's 4 RBs (if you consider Mills a FB)

    If the Patriots retain a 5th RB, it is between Evans and Cobbs (Pass is gone).

    I think Cobbs is retained, but both are good players.
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