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    I'm sorry...who is this guy?
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    Why is anyone shocked? You can't legislate out the economic laws of supply and demand. You just added 30 Million people (approximately 20% increase in demand) to the rolls of the insured while keeping the number of HCP (health care providers) the same, or even slightly decreased due to decreased funding for residencies and early retirement. Out of necessity, you will wait for procedures and appointments...

    The elites will gravitate to the concierge (no insurance) practices while the middle class and masses will wait..


    I'm not condemning it, it is simply allocation of scarce resources. We do it with organ donation and a limited supply and a much greater demand..What is the best use of resources....????
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    Obamacare = Disaster.

    Nevermind the effects on service. Just wait till the real costs start to roll in.
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    We just should of done a single payer system....Like Canada....But alas we are American and we have to do things our own way...

    This way the cost burden would be spread out and everyone could get health care, you can still have private health care for people to buy as well...

    There wouldn't be fines for not having insurance, people would still have choice and everyone wins because we all get some kind of health care and we all pay for it, through taxes. It makes more sense than asking business owners to cover the costs...


    All I can hope for is this will lead to a single payer system...
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    Be careful what you wish for.
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    Oh I'm wishing;)

    I don't mind waiting a few months or more to get surgery I otherwise wouldn't get in the first place...because I can't afford it...

    I don't mind paying more in taxes either if it means everyone can get Health-care...of some short.

    So the Pro's outweigh the con's IMO.
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    I have posted C Everett Koop's comment before of the three aspects of health care; universal coverage, hi tech and immediate access. He said you can have 2 out of 3 but not all three. What do you want to give up?
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    I would pick universal coverage 1st then split the difference between hi tech and immediate access. So 1 plus .5+.5 =2.

    If you're looking for more of an ultimatum answer, I would choose universal coverage and hi tech, I don't mind waiting a few days for healthcare and of course life and death would need immediate access, other then that you can go a day or two later its not gonna kill ya.

    I broke my wrist when I was 8, I didn't go to the doctor for a few days, thought it might be just a sprain, we weren't like the people today, that take their kids in for a little cough or a scraped knee...We didn't abuse the system....
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    This is true but we weren't lawsuit crazy either ... seems like we were more honest back then ... I don't know ... maybe we were or maybe we weren't but we were a bit tougher and self sufficient for sure.
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    Well Obamacare was designed to ruin our healthcare system and their 'solution' will be a single payer system which will be a disaster also.

    The train wreck is such that they have delayed the employer mandate to hide the effects from voters prior to the 14 elections.
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    Or you could move to Canada and be with all the happy people
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    Just wait till the real costs start to kick in. Remember, it will save us money.
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    One of the most successful doctors in America...that is who.

    He sees the writing on the wall. And it isn't good.
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    This is what socialism is...
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    Just like capitalism there are pros and cons, socialism has good things about it and has bad things about it....

    No one system is win, you take the good you leave the rest.....Not everything in life is absolute....;)

    In the end the best system is gonna be a hybrid....You do know this right?
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    Because the government is always the most efficient way to run a business, by hybrid, like the post office? That is working out swell .
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    You could have the best system in the world, you could have the best programs in the world, it won't matter if you don't have the right people in the right positions.


    Its just like SS, the program is great! The people running it fail...


    Anyone remember Apple before 1995? I had a powermac 6100/66, you remember those? Apple was a great company but just like anything in life, if its ran by dip****s its gonna fail....

    The post office should of been redesigned years and years ago....Not my fault old white people fail at life....:cool:

    Edit:The Government is a tool, it can be used for great good or for great evil....Government can be a great thing, if its ran the right way....Just like anything in life....

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