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  1. Patsfanin Philly

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    #95 Jersey

    As I write this, it appears that the Democrats have the needed 216 votes to pass the legislation. However, if they pass the exact bill that the Senate passed on Christmas Eve, it could go to the President to be signed into law.
    However, since there are changes, they are voting on slightly different legislation. therefore, once passed, it goes back to the Senate to be reconciled and if the Senate passes it exactly, it then goes to the President for signature. If so, it may not be a done deal of fait accompli depending on the changes in the Senate.
    But the House is also voting on a second piece of legislation, the 'fix' to correct some of the goodies in the bill. Am I correct so far???
    Assuming it passes, I have two questions about the logistics of the enactment. Since it allows older dependents, up to age 26 to be on their parents plan, will it be an addition to the family plan, increasing the rate for all family plans since there are now more people in the pool or will there be a new class of 'adult dependent" when the parent who wants them covered pays a separate premium for each of the adult dependent?
    Secondly, has anyone heard whether there will be any protections to prevent people from jumping on and off the coverage depending on whether they need treatment? What I mean is someone who decides to pay the penalty (2% of income IIRC) rather than the higher premium but decides to get coverage when he rips up his knee and needs surgery. Will they have a waiting period like the Feds do for flood insurance so people don't just sign up when the creek is rising and they know they will lose everything in 2 days.. If they don't put restrictions in, they will effectively raise rates if people know there is no need to sign up if they can get coverage in the ambulance on the way to the hospital....The costs will fall on those responsible people who chose to continuously have coverage.
     
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    The House is voting on the Senate bill as is and also on their on package of further amendments. The President will sing the Senate bill and the House amendments will be sent to the Senate to be acted on.
     
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    #95 Jersey

    So the Cornhusker kickback and the Louisiana Purchase and the N Dakota goodies become law and we have to trust the Senate to write them out in the new bill.....
    Good luck with that........
    Thanks...
     
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    #75 Jersey

    The only thing that will become law is the Senate version. The "Fixes" that the House will pass are all going to be thrown out by the Senate Parlamentarian because they do not have to do with "budgetary items" per the KKK rule. So any "fixes" they want to make would have to pass the 60 vote filibuster.

    So the only think that will become law is the Senate Bill, complete with the Lousiana Purchase, the Cornhuster Kickback, and all those other goodies.......
     
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    #24 Jersey

    What song?
     
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    #95 Jersey

    "Send in the Fools, don't bother they're here"
     
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    Bad typing again, oh the horrors.
     
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    Don't forget that the Unions are also exempt from the cadillac tax until 2018.

    We continue to allow Union members to exhaust unemployment benefits
    while working on the side year after year and they do not have to pay the cadillac tax until 2018.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    No-one actually knows because no-one knows the details of the super secret bill but I am assuming a "family policy" will remain that and all our policies will be increased, a small amount, accordingly as the average number of people of such policies will be increased some.

    I think it's fairly clear that you can jump in and out as you wish. That was brought up and the penalty for non coverage was raised a little but it still leaves a huge loophole.
     
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    Yeah, the hits just keep on coming (keeping up with the song theme). Not too mention they just created some new 16,000 jobs..... In the IRS. Big brother just got bigger to ensure it can keep it's greasy paws in our pockets. Nice.
     
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    Yes, that's the risk. The interesting thing is though the Republicans will be in a position to get rid of the kickbacks by supporting the Democratic reconciliation bill. If the Republicans try to derail that bill then they are allowing the Cornhusker kickback, etc. to stand. What do you think they'll do?
     
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    I think they should run against the bill this fall, if they take control of both houses refuse to fund the kickbacks or any other part of the bill including the taxes.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    And of course, MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, Their "Cadillac" all expenses paid healthcare for life converage, is also EXEMPT from taxes for EVAH.
     
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    They are allowing....LOLOL.
     
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    What ????

    If they voted just on the kickbacks how do you think the republicans
    would vote?

    They will not vote just on the kickbacks. They will include all the other
    crap in the reconciliation process which will force the republicans to vote
    against it.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    You are so full of it........senators and congressmen get the same health care that every other federal employee gets - it's not cadillac and we (and the congressmen) pay a portion of it.


    Members of Congress use the same health care program as every other federal employee, whether that employee works as a Forest Service manager in the Deschutes National Forest, as a meteorologist for NOAA in Hawaii, or as a janitor in the Bureau of Engraving in D.C.

    The program covers 8.5 million employees and family members. Federal workers pay part of the cost for their health care. And like employees across America, they've seen those costs go up each year.


    Sen. Ron Wyden's health plan

    Plan: Blue Cross and Blue Shield standard family plan
    Cost: $1,120.47 a month

    Wyden's share: $356.59 a month (up $42.12 from 2008)

    Annual deductible: $300 per member or $600 per family

    Routine physical: $20 for doctor, screening tests fully covered*

    Well-baby care for the twins: fully covered*

    *with preferred providers



    Local events in Portland, OR - OregonLive.com


    Members of Congress receive retirement and health benefits under the same plans available to other federal employees. They become vested after five years of full participation.


    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm
     
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    #24 Jersey

    You keep on thinking that, 13.

    Try not to think about that fact that it's a whole lot harder to take away something the people have already received than it is to convince them they didn't want it in the first place.

    Once people have something, even something they didn't think they wanted, they'll generally fight tooth and nail to keep it.

    Good luck with that plan.

    We'll talk again in November.
     
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    People will lose their private insurance as the government destroys it. We are being nothing except debt.

    The Romans enjoyed their bread and circuses until their country collapsed also.

    I have no doubt that many believe the lie that you can get something for nothing. I see it here all the time among the libs.
     
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    So, you're saying there are parts of the reconciliation bill itself that are objectionable, i.e., there are parts of the original Senate bill that are better left unchanged. I have not heard that. Do you have any examples?
     
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    #95 Jersey

    Really?? Every other Federal employee has an attending physician and a full medical office staff standing by and a pharmacy in their office as in the Capitol????


    http://cao.scotfaulkner.com/attendingphysician/index.htm
    >>>>>>n addition, members of Congress also qualify for some medical benefits that ordinary federal workers do not. They (but not their families) are eligible to receive limited medical services from the Office of the Attending Physician of the U.S. Capitol, after payment of an annual fee ($491in 2007). But services don’t include surgery, dental care or eyeglasses, and any prescriptions must be filled at the member’s expense.
    House and Senate members (but not their families) also are eligible to receive care at military hospitals. For outpatient care, there is no charge at the Washington, D.C., area hospitals (Walter Reed Army Medical Center and National Naval Medical Center). Inpatient care is billed at rates set by the Department of Defense.<<<<<<<
     
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