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  1. satz

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    I never understood the hate this guy gets, every thread on some defence ,cap or some bust draft pick like crable ends up being a free for all on Woods.

    I never understood that. he is like the top 2 player in spl teams every year,comes in in spot duty incase of injury or someone needs a couple of snap rest.

    But every year for the last 3 he gets put through the grinder .He avg make 1% of the cap for the last few years and never understood this.

    I see people want to pay him like a scrub but want him to contribute like a probowler or something. He is spl team guy and that is all.spl teams is a part of NFL so i do not see an issue with someone making avg 1% of the cap over 4-5 yrs to be a spl teamer.


    maybe i am wrong. i think the pats do not even spend 10 million a year on spl team players so i am always confused as to make this unit weaker to save a buck.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    I don't think anyone hates woods, but he stinks at OLB, and the pats need good OLB's
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    So .... he is paid like a spl teamer so why is judged as a OLB.

    list some of the OLB who you make 2 million a year and are good.[not in the rookie contract ]
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Well that's why he's getting paid 2 mil, because he's really not good as an OLB.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    My point exactly but the guys gets gashed for being a bad olb why ? do you think he plays OLB without the coach knowing or telling him to.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    because he's a bad OLB.......its really pretty simple....

    BTW, 2M is too much for a special teamer.....Larry Izzo never made that much
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Look, I don't think anybody hates Woods, we just think he is a crappy OLB and have seen him thrust into that role too many times and fail at it. We had some hopes that he would develop into a decent player maybe even a starter, but that never materialized.

    So, his failed potential is a little annoying too.

    He is an excellent ST player, but that is really all he is.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    He can't set the edge, he can't rush the passer and he can't cover.

    He plays OLB because there is nobody else and that is on the coaching staff.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Woods is a great role-player for the Patriots, but I think the reason people 'hate' him is very simple: the fumble non-recovery.

    Millions of people watched on TV as Pierre Woods landed cleanly on a fumbled ball at a crucial moment in SB42. Then he let Ahmad Bradshaw take the ball away, because he wanted it more.

    No one will ever really know what happened in that pile, but we all know that we saw Woods land on it with no one around him, and even though the officials should have blown the play dead immediately, they didn't.

    So, since Woods doesn't see the field often outside of special teams, that is most peoples' lasting memory of him: failing to secure a fumble that was obviously his and could have meant victory in the Super Bowl.

    It sucks, but it is what it is.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?


    that ain't it.......if it were, people would hate on rodney harrison for not breaking up the tyree play which he should have........it ain't about the one play...its more about given every opportunity to succeed and not doing so.....52 games, 8 starts, 1 sack.......at this point, it does not matter that he was a UDFA.......he's not good enough to help the defense at a position where the defense needs the most help.......pretty much equates to a wasted roster spot
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Very poor comparison. Rodney contributed so many big plays to this team, many of them in his two Super Bowls. Not breaking up the flukiest pass in NFL history is something that can be easily forgiven by most fans.

    But Pierre Woods has always had trouble cracking the lineup and in his one moment to really shine on national television, essentially screwed it up.

    There were no great plays to look back on like there were with Rodney, so like I said, that is the memory that sticks.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    I never thought about the woods play in the SB until you brought it up.....I just don't look at it that way...another example would be gaffney screwing the pooch on an easy TD grab in 2008 against the colts that would have won the game......and been the difference for getting the pats into the playoffs......I am sure there are more.......

    I jsut see a guy who was given a chance and failed.....simple as that....if the pats knew what they had in woods, they likely would have nver let TBC go the first time.....face it......woods is just a lousy OLB and that's really what it boils down to
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    That weak effort on the critical, historical fumble is a memory that will last with Pats fans a lifetime, that will never go away. How he let that happen at that point in that game is a scar that will always be there. It was inexcusable. To be honest, I honestly thought BB was going to cut his sorry arse right after that. They teach you in Pop Warner, you play until the effin whistle blows.................Oh well

    There is no way this guy is worth 2M, you can find 25 guys in college right now that you can draft in rounds 6 and 7 that can come in and do the same damn thing on ST as Woods at 1/10 of the cost. Cut is arse, every time I see his number I think of the fumble and what could have been............
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    I really don't think he is even that good at special teams, the only memory I have of Woods last year was him running into the kicker in Miami giving them a crucial 1st down. :mad:

    I look at him as a wasted roster spot, he's not good enough at special teams to be a special teams only player, he is horrible at OLB & I rather have an OLB with some upside on the roster than him.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    That doesn't make any sense, though.

    Not every player on the team is going to start, and not every player on the team is going to be a blue chip.

    Regardless of your opinions on the quality of Woods as a player, the fact remains that he was an UDFA who has managed to stick with an NFL team run by a great defensive mind for 3, going on 4 seasons now. I'm sure there are those, like you, who believe that shouldn't be the case, but it is, and the decision was made by people who have much more intimate knowledge of Woods' abilities as a player and his contributions to the team.

    I don't have any animosity towards Woods the way it seems some here do, for whatever reasons, but if any of them make a little sense to me, it would be the fumble recovery.

    Any other reason to dislike the guy or not be happy with whatever little he has brought to this team makes no sense to me. No team survives without roleplayers and backups like Woods, whether you like him or not, or believe that he could be upgraded. But if Belichick feels like he still deserves a roster spot, who are we to disagree?

    I mean I know there are those who will, but they only make themselves look dumber by pretending to understand why the low-to-middle end of the roster exists, and how best to stock it.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Alot of us feel the way you do, yet our Coach who makes all the right decisions and never screws up somehow feels differently about ole Pierre, he feels like Woods is worthy of 2M on the payroll and a roster spot. I do the eye test, I haven't missed a Patriots snap in years and my eyes tell me that #58 doesn't belong on an NFL roster. Game changing, critical, historical fumble "non recovery" aside............
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?



    not even close. That is not the reason why he is disliked. As a OLB he does not bring anything significant or helpful to that position.

    who ever said 2 million for mainly a S-Teamer is too much $$$ is right
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Maybe 1% of Patriots fans know how much money Woods makes. I'm referring to the average Patriots' fan who knows what he sees on TV.

    Furthermore, it makes even less sense to dislike an UDFA because he makes 3x the Vet minimum as a backup/STer.

    Chad Jackson, Laurence Maroney, Adalius Thomas, Ben Watson... those are guys it makes sense to 'dislike' (if that's the word you want to use) based on the money they earn(ed) and the expectations attached to their contributions to the team.

    Please find me one post from 2006 with any expectations for Pierre Woods career.

    Do you really dislike an UDFA because he's not a starting caliber linebacker for the NEP?

    Really?
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Do you think he's worth 2M a year ? And if so why ?
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?



    Woods is sadly a primary LB on the depthchart of last.


    Take a look at this link and plz tell me we need severe upgrades at LB position.

    Ugly list of LB's IMO

    New England Patriots Depth Chart
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?



    Honestly.... I do not dislike or like Woods. Check last post
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    How many players are paid exactly what they are worth? Can you name them? Do you think Vince Wilfork dislikes Pierre Woods because he is 'worth' more, yet made less the last two seasons? What about Wes Welker, arguably the team's most valuable skill player outside of Brady? Do you think he is paid what he is 'worth'?

    Is it my money?

    Is there a salary cap this year?

    Are we unable to sign free agents this offseason because Woods is taking up one of 80 roster spots?

    I can't think of one reason why it would matter to me. Not one.

    Can you?
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Some items that i do not agree

    1)A 6th or 7th rd pick can easily replace his production.Well if it was so easy there will not be so many teams with bad Spl team play.

    2)We draft crable and quite a few 5th rd specialist in the last few years and non have replaced him even though some say its EASY ?
    crable,slater,lua[remember the love for this guy],redd and how many LB.DE in the later round who are out of NFL now and this UDFA is still here. No idea how EASILY all this guys cannot beat him for his active game day spot....i mean some where 3rd, a few 5th rounds in there.

    3)He is not a OLB he is a good SPL team and why cannot people accept.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    I think ppl r pissed at the overall weakness of our LB core


    Woods is sadly a primary OLB on the depth chart of last.


    Take a look at this link and plz tell me we need severe upgrades at the LB position.

    Ugly list of LB's IMO


    http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/depthchart?team=NE
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Your spelling is atrocious but I agree with your point completely.

    The same people who 'hate' Pierre Woods or don't want him on the team are the same people who will vilify our special teams once the season starts and they give up a 40 yard return.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    you're the one not making any sense.....it can't be any clearer than the fact that when given the oportunity to help the pats as a starter, he failed......case closed....he also showed nothing in opportunites to be situational.......case closed again

    couple that with the fact that the biggest position of need for the pats is OLB, and knowing that woods can never be the starter they need, he is wasting a roster spot that should be taken by a prospect who MAY develop into a starter....woods is already 28 years old and has not show he can help the defense in any way.

    again....it does not matter where he was drafted if he cannot help the team

    I have zero animosity towards woods.....I just think he's a lousy OLB that will not have more than a cup of coffee with another team


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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Bill Clinton, I ask again, do you think Pierre Woods is worth 2M a year? It's really a straight-forward question.

    For a team that is so picky with their money and how they allocate it, it's surprising to alot of us that for what this guy brings to the table, that he would be paid this kind of money, I don't care if it's 1/100 of the CAP, you can find 30 guys in rounds (5-7) right now in college that can do the same damn job if not better at 1/10 of the cost.
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    Just because you didn't get the answer you were looking for doesn't mean I didn't answer your question.

    It's also very clear that you don't want to answer mine. :)

    The fact of the matter is that neither of us know how much Pierre Woods is 'worth', and pretending to know would only make one of us look very stupid.

    I'll let you know when I have access to the All-22 coaches tape, and have spent more time studying the intricacies of NFL contracts and how Pierre matches up to the other 2500 players in the league.

    Maybe we can have this conversation again then, when I'm sure I'm closer to actually having the information required to make an informed decision. :)
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    I know what he is worth......ZERO
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    Re: Hating Woods Why?

    I can only hope that I someday fail hard enough to make $2,000,000 in one year.

    I have a feeling I'm not alone. :)
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