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  1. Fanfrom1960

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    On Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN 2, guest host made a strong case (strong to him anyway) for Favre. Forget his name, but he's on the talk shows now and then. Mike Golic disagreed, saying it's Brady all the way. The guy's argument about Favre is that Brady has an all time great coach, and "all stars at practically every position". Favre has a rookie coach and few outstanding other players on the offense, so the Packers success this year is all about him. Just passing it on, I think it will be Brady in a landslide because the Patriots are on everybody's mind this year, not the Packers. Also, where was this argument in 2003 and 2004 when Tom was just about the only star on offense? I need to pull for Favre crapping the bed this Thursday now, just for insurance. Sorry Brett, but Brady must win this one.
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    It was Erik Kuselias and he got no support from Golic although Schlereth said he could see his point. Even Schlereth admitted though that there's no way Favre gets it over Brady.

    ESPN has become the National Enquirer of sports news.
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    It was Eric Kasilias or (Ka-silly***) as I call him. It's just more Anti-Patriot drivel coming from ESPN. Brady can do nothing right with some of these people. He gets to an AFCCG with Caldwell and Gaffney and that's not good enough now He has TOO MUCH talent. Favre has very good recievers and a good TE and all the Favre is a leader in the lockerroom crap he said I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Who was it the was playing games with management about retirement and who said he would not teach the you Rodgers the QB position? But what really made me laugh was when he said some of the lockerroom talk is that the players look toward Moss over Brady as the team leader! Of course he won't say what source told him that. Yeah okay KA-SILLY-AZZ.
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    Jeez you're too sensitive...It wasn't anti-Patriots at all...It was pro-Favre. The guy is entitled to his opinion.
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    1.) Brady by a landslide
    2.) Favre IS deserving (not necessarily more so)
    3.) If Brady had his, and Favre didn't, Brett would win

    not a testament to either one being more or less deserving.
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    Good lord, a lonely scrap of rationality from He Ban Me.
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    I don't see what the big deal is. Kasilias is absolutely correct in that Favre is more critical to his team this season than Brady is to the Patriots. However, since the MVP in the major american sports is actually an award given to the most outstanding player, and not the most valuable (despite the title), it makes no difference. Favre is more crucial to his team, Brady is the MVP.
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    Brady is having the best season in the history of the NFL by a country mile at the most valuable position in the NFL for a team currently being discussed as one of the greatest of all time. He would win the MVP any year.
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    Excellent point. People here seem to think that the NFL MVP has suddenly morphed into the Major League Baseball MVP. It hasn't. Brady gets the trophy.
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    I'm so sick and tired of the Brett Favre ball washing that goes on in the media!!! Don't get me wrong, the guy is great. However, just because the guy has his team at 10-1 in the friggen NFC does not mean he deserves the MVP award. How come nobody was talking about Tm Brady getting it last year when he still led the Pats to a 12-4 recrd in the AFC and had a 2/1 TD/INT ratio with Reche "bugeyes" Caldwell as his #1 receiver??? Man, I just can't stand when everyone acts as if Brett Favre is the only QB to get it done without all pro weapons. They act like Donald Driver and Greg Jennings are not good receivers. Those guy aren't Randy Moss, but they are every bit as good as Deion Branch and David Givens. The Packers have WON two games against teams with records above .500(Giants and San Diego). I hope the Packers win thursday because I hate Tony Romo even more, but I hope Favre doesn't play that good. Tom Brady better win this friggen MVP award this season. :mad:
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    If Brady ever goes down (God forbid), then a different tune you will be singing... no doubt. :rolleyes:

    Favre is overrated. So are the Packers. They are going to falter down the stretch, and it starts this Thursday in Dallas.
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    BS. Brady goes down and we have no shot at getting to the super bowl, nevermind winning it. Not with this defense. How is that any different than if Favre goes down? Same with Tony Romo in Dallas. Same with Peyton in Indy. That argument is foolish. It applies to all the top teams.
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    I don't see what the big deal is. Of all the MVP races in sports history this has to be one of the most clear cut at this point in the season, according to the media. Sure, there are a few guys who digress, but look at the seasons by Favre and Romo. These guys are absolutely dominating, just not at the level of Brady, who is also long overdue for the award.
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    Actually, your argument is foolish... since it doesn't actually address the point in question. Deus Irae said Favre is more critical to his team than Brady, never brought up the SB. You did. The fact that none of the top teams are likely to make the SB without their franchise QBs means that is simply a bad criteria to decide which QB is more valuable to their team, it doesn't mean Brady is more valuable to the Pats.
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    I know this has been said before, including by me, but the NFL MVP tends to be a Most Outstanding Player award. By that standard, TB has to be #1. Otherwise, TB should have been in serious contention in 2003 and 2004, but did not really have much chance. TB did not even make the pro bowl in 2003 and 2006.

    A decent case can be made that Favre is most valuable, but that would be a departure from the way its been done in the NFL and would be more like MLB. In the MLB, the voters will go with ridiculously gaudy stats (like this year) and even on a bad team (A-Rod in TX and Andre Dawson), but otherwise go with a guy who was very valuable to a team not expected to do as well as it did, e.g., Justin Morneau last year or Jimmy Rollins this year.
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    This is the NFL. There is only one goal. To win the super bowl. Period. End of story. Brady goes down and there is NO SHOT at winning the super bowl. Same with Green Bay and Favre, Dallas and Romo, Indy and Peyton, and Pittsburgh with Big Ben. If you put Tom Brady on Green Bay do you think there would be any drop off? Absolutely, positively, NOT. Put Brett Favre on New England and can you honestly say with certainty that Favre, at his age, would be putting up the stats that Brady is? Brady, hands down. Not even close.
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    Hopefully, we will never have to find out, but I believe Brady is as crucial to this team as Favre. Seriously, where would we be without him? Moss wouldn't be here and we'd probably be fighting it out with Buffalo for the AFC East. I'll give credit where credit is due, and Brady has a whole bunch coming his way that is LOOOONG overdue!!
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    Favre is the leader of the team, regardless of his retirement talk, regardless of what you'd like to present here. It's ridiculous to argue that point.
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    I think that would depend on what happens in Dallas Thursday, in which case Romo might also start to get consideration (although I wouldn't think he would be a good choice).
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    Yup. To save key strokes I will just paste what I put in the "other" MVP thread when Brett's case came up:

    There have been a couple of games GB won this year in spite of Favre, and a couple of others where he made a play when he had to on an otherwise uninspiring day (with a little help from Donald Driver for one...). He's having a team MVP season compared to his suckitude of the last few seasons, mostly due to his FINALLY adhering to a script, but he wouldn't be the MVP on this team... Whereas Brady would still be the MVP of the 2007 GB team if the rolls were reversed.

    Favre has 22 TD's but 8 picks and 8 fumbles to Brady's 39-4-4, not to mention Tom has a couple of rushing TD's. Brett's had a couple of games with more picks than TD's or multiple picks and no TD's. I think if you replaced him with Tony Romo it's a wash. Brady has been dominant with a newly assembled core of WR that as a group represents one of the top 3 in the league. But none of them were top 10 in the league on other teams in the last couple of seasons. Part of the synergy was bringing them together, but most of it is matching them with Brady. Kinda like Manning's perennial triplets - each of whom might be very good elsewhere but excel as a unit under his direction. Both of those teams can withstand losses to some extent but not the loss of that QB. A number of the QB's mg mentions could have done what Brett has done in GB recently - this season included.

    BTW - there was a myth that he would have to "do it all" without a running game, only an UDFA back has stepped up since their bye and chipped in an average of 93 rushing yards per game and 112 all purpose yards per game (and nary a fumble) for the last 5 games...

    But as always the Brett Farve myth glosses over the little details that don't lend themselves to ballwashing. He didn't kill them early on this season, which is the only real difference, and that gave them a chance to build on something for a change in a weak conference.
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    Brady has my vote(homer alert!) for what he's done his whole career. Favre's noname WRs are way better than Brady's from seasons past.
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    If, and only if, Favre goes into Dallas and has a lights out performance will I give him any serious consideration for MVP. If he goes out and wins the game, throws for 4 TDs, and passes for over 300 yards, than I think you can put him in the discussion to possibly win it over Brady. If he does not win the game and play like a superstar, than I think we can start engraving Brady's name on it. Tony Romo, no matter what he does, has no shot at getting it over Brady because Brady clearly outplayed Romo in their big showdown.
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    If Brady "breaks" a shoulder tomorrow, the Patriots are still one of the top 3-6 teams in the league. If Favre "breaks" a shoulder tomorrow, Green Bay becomes a bottom tier team in the NFC. Feel free to disagree all you want, but that's how I read the tea leaves.
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    Agreed. The only question is exactly how good a leader he is...
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    Only because we've already clinched the East and have 11 wins. If we started the season with Cassel, I'd see us being 7-4. then again, that's only my humble opinion, so feel free to disagree.
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    You mean in regards to what YOU believe. How can no one argue his leadership? Because you said so? Your believing alot of what the media wants you to believe my friend. Not every Quarterback is the leader of there team. I know the media presents it that way but that is not always the case. He maybe 1 of the leaders but to say without a doubt he is THE leader is a fallacy. Oh and his leadership skills are questionable at best per his own actions not some media lovefest with yet another Southern QB in the NFL.
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    It would be ridiculous for Brady not to get the MVP this year - and that's if didn't throw another pass the rest of the season. You guys are seeing the stupid "justifications" for selecting someone else when Manning had his big year. Stars, coach, etc., etc., etc.
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    If its about who is throwing to the worse receivers, and who has the least talent surrounding him then Brady should have about 4 MVP's.
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    Manning has always had stars on offense. Didn't stop them from giving him the MVP trophy. Stupidest reasoning I've ever heard.

    By those standards/reasoning Brady should have been the MVP in '04 and especially in '05 and '06.

    It'll actually be humorous to me if Brady is cut out by the same standards that should have cut him in (but didn't) in years past.
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