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  1. Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM)

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    When McDaniels had in his wide receiver stable, in pre season, the combination of Lloyd, Welker, Stallworth and Gaffney, I was thinking that we had the makings of redoing that great offensive season of 2007 with the same players on the roster with the exception of Lloyd replacing Moss.

    That team put up fantastic numbers.

    Now Stallworth and Gaffney are gone. So, that brings up the question, should they have retained both Gaffney and Stallworth instead of releasing Branch and going with Slater and Edelman, instead and of course, the addition of Salas?

    I was kind of thinking of 2007 redux.
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    Why would you want a redux of a season most here still can't even talk rationally about.

    This season was supposed to be shaping up to be 2011 with a better ending. No reason it still can't be, unless of course the OL takes a step back.
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    Beleive it or not, the Pats offense changes every season.

    IMO, were are going to see an emphasis on running the ball this season.
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    I can name 13 players on that team that could be considered dominant at their positions:

    Brady
    Welker
    Moss
    Light
    Mankins
    Koppen
    Seymour
    Wilfork
    Bruschi
    Vrabel
    Samuel
    Harrison
    A Thomas/Colvin

    I can name 7 on the current team:

    Brady
    Gronkowski
    Hernandez
    Welker
    Mankins
    Mayo
    Wilfork

    This ain't '07. But they can go further than the 07 team if a few more guys step up.

    If we're just talking about offense, people forget that Moss was a Madden create-a-player with all 99s for the first half of the season.
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    Age must have been a factor.

    Next year, Branch 34, Gaffney 33 and Stallworth 33 all on the wrong side of 30.

    Slater 28, Edelman 27 and Salas 25. Hopefully, Slater is showing something in the passing game.
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    Well IMHO Lloyd, Wes, Gronk, AH are better than Moss, Wes, Gaffney & Stallworth.

    RB group at least a push, Ridley >>> Maroney, Faulk >> Woodhead, Vareen & Bolden better upside than backups in 2007.

    The OL remains to be seen.
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    If we're relying on Slater for the 2012 passing game I won't let myself get emotionally invested in the upcoming season train wreck. Speed straight away, hands of wood and little go get the ball sense.
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    Not that I think this team is better than 2007, but....

    There is no way that Bruschi, Thomas/Colvin, Harrison were "dominant" in 2007. No way. I'd extend that to include Seymour as well. He missed half the season in 2007 and Jarvis Green outplayed him....though Sey certainly was dominant in '08.

    That's all.
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    Just referring to the 16 game regular season, a season that may never be replicated, or beaten, by any team in the NFL.
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    Bruschi, at this point he had lost a step, no, Koppen, never thought of him as dominant, always very good, no,Thomas/Covin, nope never dominant, certainly no, Samuel, lots of interceptions very good, dominant, meh maybe, so now we are down to 9 vs 7.
    At this time in 2007 we had no idea about Welker and Moss, who knows who will step up this year. So, both years start at 7 vs 7.
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    No disrespect to the OP when I say this, but there needs to be a filter on the board that removes any mention of the 2007 season. Just thinking about SB42 hurts. I must make it a point to avoid the NFL Network this week, no doubt there will be lots of SB42 and SB46 footage this week...:bricks:
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    "Do not call to mind the former things, Or ponder things of the past."
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    With 2 of the top TE's in the league and a continuation of the 2 TE offense, a redux of 2007 was never in the cards. Potential to be just as dominant, but not in the same manner.

    Stallworth, Gaffney, Branch, etc were pretty much brought in (it appears) to see which would be kept for one position. I still believe either Branch or Gaffney will be back.
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    A season in which a team went 16-0 for the first time in league history? Yeah, why would we want that?

    We all talk about the Super Bowl as a tramatic day but that's mostly because of the high expectations going in. After all, it's not like we got blown out. We were a few plays away from winning that game. It was a hard fought game in which we came out on the wrong side. There is no shame in that.

    So would I want a team that is just as good as that team. HELL YEAH, because this time the hard fought Super Bowl game might just go our way.
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    Of course it hurts, but c'mon, let's not pretend that this wasn't a good team. It was a GREAT team, quite possibly the GREATEST in NFL HISTORY.

    You say you want to avoid it as if it's the plague.

    The '91 season, sure, you want to avoid that like the plague. Let's not put the 2007 season in the same category as the 1991 season.
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    I hated that season. Hated it. There was a dark foreboding cloud on the horizon that approached close in December when it became obvious that the top notch defensive coordinators on the NFL had figured out how to throttle down the NE offense. Point disparity dropped and the games became close. While the kool aiders rejoiced, I never felt the comfort of the SB winning seasons that lacked the tragic Achilles heel of the 2007 style team.
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    That was a great season. Just because it ended badly, does not change the fact that no team ever went 18-0 before.

    I don't get Patriots fans who want to "forget" about that season.
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    There's nothing wrong with wanting to savor the positive out of 2007 or any season. :cool:

    But to target a 2007 kind of team ~ weak Run Game, aging Defense ~ would be incredibly foolish.

    And fortunately, Mad Bill is showing no such inclination.

    The 2012 team ~ even had those guys all stuck around ~ at no point resembled the 2007 team.
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    I would prefer a 2004 redux.
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    Since our team won their first 18 games and lost the one that really truly counted, the 2007 season was a unique stink bomb. Early on, blow-outs were routine. As the season progressed, teams made adjustments and the scores were closer and closer. The Patriots barely squeaked by the Eagles, Ravens, and Giants. It would be much better to start off a little bit shaky and improve drastically down the home stretch. No?
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    It seems to work for the defending champs...
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    People misremember that 2007 season. The Patriots were scoring in the 30s for the first 5 weeks. They then began pasting teams (4 games in a 5 game stretch, with a 24-20 win against the Colts sandwiched in there). After that, they put up 31 against Philly (#9 defense), 27 against Baltimore (windy night) and 34 against the Steelers (#2 defense), before screwing around against the Jets and Dolphins, and then finishing up with another 38 point game against the Giants.

    What really happened in 2007 was that the Patriots faced off against the best teams on their schedule later on in the season. Combined with weather conditions become less friendly, it was expected that the numbers would fall.
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    The unbeaten regular season was as good as a Superbowl for me. It was something really special achieved by the New England Patriots. Its not something that is even done annually. The Patriots were the first to do it in a 16 game regular season.

    Hell I sat and watched when the Patriots couldn't win more than 6 games in a season over a 5 year period. I cannot understand how people wouldn't be able to talk about 2007. It sounds a bit like fans who have come along since the success in New England began and expect too much all the time.
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    ... and the 2007 NFL Season ... it lives now, only in my distant memories.
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    The league is different than it was five years ago. It has become a TE centric league. I never expected to see a redux of 2007.

    This team is built around the middle of the field with Gronk, Hernandez, and Welker and not around Moss and Welker like 2007. Lloyd will provide an outside and deep threat, but more importantly he will take off inside defensive pressure on the TEs and Welker.

    I never saw a lot of similarities between the two offenses even when they brought back Gaffney and Stallworth. The whole philosophy of this offense has changed since then and McDaniels is going to build around that not try to bring it to the 2007 form again.
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    I think they actually faced the best teams first. After they played the Colts, the Steelers and Bills were the only 2 teams they played with a winning record if my memory serves me right. The Eagles and Ravens were not good that year though. It was more of a "blue print" that help the games be closer than it should have been. The Ravens played their butts off on Monday night in addition to the emotions of Sean Taylor's death contributing. Beginning in November, the Patriots were receiving EVERYONE'S best shot including the Giants because the perfect season hype started early.
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    That was the year the Browns pulled a 10 win season out of their backside. They weren't better than the Eagles, but Brady put up 380 yards against those Eagles when the "blueprint" :rolleyes: was being born. Weather was a factor in multiple games, including the Ravens game, where Brady was clearly affected by the wind. The Patriots put up 28 in the first half against the Dolphins, and then spent the rest of that game throwing bombs to try getting Moss the record, even though the Dolphins were playing to defend just that. How was that blueprint looking on week 16, after the Patriots offense put up 38 against the Giants?

    Breaking one particular game down a bit more, to show my point:

    The Patriots put up 38 against the 11-5 Chargers, in the second game of the season. Must be because the Patriots were bringing out something the Chargers couldn't handle, right, and that this was about the overwhelming Patriots at the beginning of the year? Problem is, the Chargers started off 1-3, and gave up 38, 31 and 30 points in those three losses. Of the 5 losses the Chargers had that regular season, 4 of them had them give up 30+, with the other being a 35 point game against the Vikings in week 9. The Chargers were actually only 5-5 after their first 10 games (again, surrendering 30+ points in 4 of those 5 losses), and then went on a 6 game regular season winning streak to end the year.
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