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  1. AzPatsFan

    AzPatsFan Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Has Bill Belichick completed his rebuilding of a new generation of Super Bowl contender? Consider that there are only 6 players who have reached the age of 32 left on the roster.

    These are Bruschi, 36, Neal, 33, Taylor, 33, Hansen, 33, AD 32, and Hochstein, 32. Only Bruschi is over-aged. Of these six only Neal, and AD are now starters, although I guess Punter Hansen also qualifies.

    If BB drafts a LB, Tedy may be invited to retire; there are already 10 LBs on the roster, all young, save for Bruschi and maybe AD.

    Hansen might be replaced by Malone, but punters play into their mid-thirties.

    Neal will continue as a starter and Offensive linemen frequently play until their mid-thirties, too. Hochstein as a swing reserve can play a few more years, for the same reason. It is also possible that the Pats will draft an OL high.

    Taylor is a swing RB and merely a member of the cabal of RBs.

    With 6 picks in the first three rounds, it is possible that several of the six will no longer be Patriots. I would suggest that BB is nearing the end of his third team reconstruction during his time here with the Patriots. But don't forget that any team needs a few older players to serve as role models. These six all fit that mold of senior team leaders.

    NFL Beware... :eek::eek:
     
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    Completed ? Not quite, because I think you need to see what happens in this draft... But if they draft heavy defense with the 4 picks in the first 2 rounds, I think we're seeing the next gen Pats in 2010.

    I guess the key to rebuilding well is to still have a handful of valuable vets who have had success and have won. In this case, there are still plenty : Brady, Seymour, Warren,...

    I'm interested in seeing if the 2010 defense goes back to previous success or if they still struggle on 3rd down. That'll be the tale as to if they go deep or just get carried by their offense.
     
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    Sivy In the Starting Line-Up

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    I dont know, but is anyone else really excited about the season? Dont know about y'all but I got a good feeling the king is back to take its crown from these clones.
     
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    The way teh NFL is concerned...there is an ongoing rebuilding process every year...not in all positions or as deep as it is in some years but it's more contunuous now than before. In older days, there was more of rebuiding because teams would fall flat as players got older and retired...but with free agency and the cap..it's more all the time year after year.. so I would say BB is never finished...
     
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    that's probably what keeps bb going. there's a new challenge every year. keepin' it fresh. i hope he sticks here ala paterno.
     
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    What is the timing regarding the CBA again? I believe there's guaranteed to be a 2010 draft? Do I have this right? Then thereafter it's all the great unknown.

    Assuming that's correct, and this year is a draft-as-usual year, I don't think you see 4 Pats picks in Rds. 1-2. You see a stockpiling using those picks for 2010. I still expect a follow-on deal with KC, and have no idea what shape that will take. Moving that fast with a fairly hot commodity strikes me as having a no-bid-contract quality to it, and throwing in Vrabel adds to that perception on my part. (Cue: you ignoramous we already talked about that responders.)

    In answer to the question, we can consider 2009 offseason rebuilding completed around the second week of September. I don't think the Pats are an "out with the old in with the new" team, where rebuilding happens in great purges and infusions of new talent, so saying we're "rebuilt" for the next few years is a reach.

    PFnV
     
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    Not sure what the uncapped year has on contracts going forward...it seems that the team on purpose had a LOT of contracts open after this year...lalmost waiting to see what happened with the CBA....not sure why...BUT?? I do not think it is coincidence that 20 plus players are up for FA in 09...
     
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    Belichick and the Pats don't rebuild - they just reload.
     
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    I definitely expect a defensive lineman to be picked early in the draft.
     
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    After the draft is finished and the post-draft free agency is completed then the rebuilding process will be done. I expect 3 defensive picks on the first day. OLB/S/CB. This team has the draft ammo to get even better and stronger. The job is not done yet.
     
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    Nothing has been going on regarding a new CBA. On March 15th the union

    meets to pick a replacement for Gene Upshaw. After that time, maybe

    negotiation will start towards a new CBA.
     
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    Not unless he intends to use those draft picks to hold up the deck on his house in Nantucket.
     
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    1) A team is never finished rebuilding. There are always contacts that expire and players to replace.

    2) Your presumption that the goal is to have everyone under 30 make me think that you are in high school. Our SB bowl teams had lots of veterans, some as starters and some as backups. The problem with this team is the LACK of seasoned veterans not that we have the burden of six players older than 30. I suspect that if it were up to you we wouldn't have just signed Taylor, Hanson and Hochstein. As you note, you already are ready to ship out Bruschi and Hanson. Surely if we draft an OG, the old man Hochstein would be gone.

    My suspicion is that you would really like us to get down to only AD and Taylor as the over 30 players and you're not so sure of them.

     
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    There is still a significant age/durability/contract/capability gap in the front seven of the defense. There are several key players who we may not be able to afford going forward or who won't have the probably durability to warrant an extension of their employment with the team. And at one OLB spot, the team just doesn't have an answer yet.

    If one of the two sophomore cornerbacks doesn't pan out, the defensive rebuilding will be set way back. To me, that's the key.
     
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    I'd like to see one of thse second rounders traded for a veteran who could step right in and help on defense.
     
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    I agree, there is no way 3 second rounders are going to be used.
     
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    Moss is 32 and Brady will be in August. Just saying.
     
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    Yeah. a guy who used to run a 4.2 wil lose his speed by the time he is Marvin Harrison's age at 37, and Brady will be nearing the end then too.

    That means we need to hurry up and worry what to do in six years... Oh well we can trade for Cassel then. :eek:

    Meanwhile we wil have to live with the recently rebuilt Offense and the continuing rebuilding of the Defense that will have a another big infusion of talent this coming double draft.
     
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    Why not trade all the seconds for three veterans who can step in and help right away? After all, a second round draft choice will likely take a year to learn the defense anyway.

    Seriously, Belichick will trade away draft picks for quality starting veterans anytime he can.

     
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    I look at it this way. The franchise's best SB hopes are while Brady can still compete. Once Brady is not 'Brady' anymore, this team will look a whole hell of a lot different. So, if I were in BB's shoes (not to say he should listen to me -- he shouldn't), I'd start "mortgaging the future" in a sense to put the most competitive team on the field during what remains of Brady's prime.

    Note: I wouldn't COMPLETELY mess up the future, but I'd start weighing present value much higher.
     
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