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  1. Fixit

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    All other forms of recording/stealing signals are allowed (e.g. photos).

    Breakdowns of existing tape are allowed.

    So why is videotaping signals illegal to the NFL as of this season? Could it be a result of the NFL wanting absolute control over any and all NFL video, which they do?

    It seems to me that the banning of field video isn't to discourage gaining a competitive advantage; hell, we've already discussed at length how video is actually less an advantage than live people and photographs. It's about the NFL protecting its product.

    With that in mind, this is even less of an issue.

    Am I crazy?
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    They DO allow clubs to film the game, they just don't allow them to film for the purpose of stealing signs. Remember, in the GB game the cameraman was authorized to shoot the field, it's when he kept pointing his camera at the home bench that team security got suspicious.
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    The rule says that no video cameras are allowed on the field, and that all video cameras have to be boxed in with a cover. They didn't get pinched for stealing signs with a camera; they got pinched for having a camera in the first place. What the Jets say the problem is has no bearing on what problem really is.
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    I thought about how teams use photos of opposing team's formations AS SOON AS THEY WALK OFF THE FIELD - now the photos seem like incomplete information to me, what use is a photo without a "signal" or "playcall" to match it up to?
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    Because they have pictures of the signals, as well as people watching the opposing coaches. Give me a camera in the coaches box and another guy and I'll break down signals and defenses way faster than a guy with one field-level video camera.
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    I think what you wrote is incorrect. When the Phins used a tape to steal signs last year, the NFL was OK with it.

    The rule says a team is prohibited from filming opposing coaches who are giving signals. It says nothing about what teams d with those signals. normally, I would say the implication is obvious, but that doesn't explain why the NFL thinks it's legal to use signs stolen off a tape the way the Dolphins did.
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    I've been saying almost the exact same thing on other boards but most people are content to talk about what's on the tape, is stealing signs it cheating and what punishment should be handed down.

    Glad to see someone sees this situation clearly.
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    I think we're saying the same thing.
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    The NFL was okay with it because the Dolphins didn't film it; they bought film of it, or so they said. Regardless, there was no rule against it last year anyway.

    Does anyone else know where the rule is stated on this board? I can't remember where I saw it.
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    This is what I threw out there a few days ago. This may be more of a copyright infringement issue in the eyes of the NFL.

    looking for more news coverage of this, but I recall the NFL getting testy regarding copyrighted material

    http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6204450.html

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    Except that Cameras aren't allowed in the coaches box.

    I'm not sure they allow binoculars either.
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    Then where do those photos come from?

    Edit to add that it doesn't matter where they came from. They're allowed.
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    Sorry to step on your toes. Here I thought I was going to blow the lid off this whole thing! :D
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    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070214/154327.shtml


    http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2007/02/13/my_first_dmca_takedown.html
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    no no--please do continue--insanity loves company!
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    http://news.com.com/Sports leagues ...055.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news

    An ongoing turf battle may be involved...

    another view of the same from slashdot:

    http://slashdot.org/articles/07/08/01/212240.shtml
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