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Hamas rejects another ceasefire

Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by SalemPats, Jul 24, 2014.

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    Israel is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they sit on their hands, they're still hated and rockets are still fired into the region. If they attack and do things their way, they face an investigation for war crimes on top of increased isolation. There really is no right answer here. But if they're going to be condemned or attacked no matter what they do, they might as well just say "**** it" and annihilate every living, breathing thing in that entire region. Sounds bad, but that might be the only way to obtain peace.
     
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    Israel will never win the media battle. Europe had a mass immigration from their former arab colonies and most jews left. Israel has a strong ally in the US, Europe hates the US. They have to ignore the media and get the job done. The world will thank them afterwards,
     
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    I take it you're new to observing the region. Europe never has had much patience with Israel, led by their media. What's disturbing about European attitudes toward Israel is how anger is taken out on local Jews.

    Can you cite an example for discussion?

    Who here is claiming that?

    Ah, the moral equivalency argument. You're not paying attention if you think this is the case. Again, you've been given plenty of evidence to the contrary. Meh...

    Do you realize that water cannons have an effective range of 10-15m? If you have people using slings to hurl rocks and throwing molotov cocktails at you, I wonder how useful you would find that water cannon.
     
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    I can only feel bad for the Palestinian children, other than that, the rest voted for hamas. Israeli shouldnt stop until hamas is no more
     
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    Yeah but, again, Israel may have to eradicate the entire population and then some in order for that to happen.
     
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    Israel gives Palestinians ample notice to get away when they attack a given area. Hamas has refused 2 cease fires. They are using innocent people as human shields. There will be life lost and the Palestinians are allowing hamas to do this. The un and us give Palestinians aid and hamas uses it for their cause and not taking care of the Palestinians.
     
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    I've always been on Israel's side and anti-Hamas. What I'm saying is that if Israel wishes to obtain the peace they're looking for, genocide might be the only answer unfortunately.
     
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    It might have to be that way. Hamas are terrorists, I wish they wouldnt hide behind innocent people. There wouldnt be genocide if they hid.
     
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    The posts above this are astounding. Genocide is not the only way. Centuries ago the western world was as primitive and barbaric. Christianity denounced women in certain rolls and stoned, crucified and lashed people to death or 'crimes' like adultery and being gay. We evolved. We have to work towards the goal of evolving others.

    The narrow mindedness in this thread is dumdfounding.

    There is NOWHERE to go. Why don't you get that? Neither Israel nor Egypt will take their refugees. Israel preach how they want to make things good...so why not open their borders to at least women and children...but they won't.

    Giving someone 'ample' amount of warning to leave their home, some of which reporters are saying bare no signs of Hamas being there, but bombing it anyway is no justification.

    People are talking like there is actually somewhere to go! Then the people who do head to a school to be evacuated and get bombed anyway!
     
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    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...cease-fire-deal-could-be-struck-Friday-368935

    Just moments ago.

    There have been numerous incidents in the past where cease fires were eventually reached where BOTH sides rejected initial drafts. They always got there in the end although, once again, BOTH sides rarely respected it fully.

    I don't want to dig links up from years ago to prove who agreed to what and who didn't agree to that. If you think Israel haven't rejected proposals either in the past...and now this conflict...you're naive.
     
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    That would be news to Hamas. That's their goal.

    You mean like the school that was hit by one of Hamas own rockets?
     
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    Why don't you take them in the UK?
     
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    IDF-soldier-palestinian-girl-fake3-640x448.png

    This is supposedly an IDF Soldier stepping on a young palestinian girl. Can you spot why this is fake and that is not an IDF Soldier?
     
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    Looks fake to me.....and I'm pretty sure that the IDF uses the Tav-21 and that isn't the Tav-21.
     
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    Let's try this again and maybe I can actually get an answer:

    Again, I'll ask.......what should Israel do?
    And one more time....seeing that there are 560 civilan deaths and not 10,000....what is more likely, Israel is targeting civilians or Hamas is using it's own people as human shields?
     
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    That's the difference. We evolved as a people. They haven't evolved since before Christ. The only thing that's evolved over there is the weaponry. If there's nowhere to go, then the good people need to turn on Hamas and quickly and toss them out of the damn country. Dictatorships and standing occupations throughout history have been overthrown time and time again. The people can do something about it if they really cared to. Otherwise, it's going to get to a point where Israel takes this to another level.
     
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    Yes and if your anti-Israel then your anti-America in the opinion of some.
     
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    The way our immigration policy is over here we may as well tbh!

    Not what they're doing. They KNOW civilians are in these areas yet they bomb them anyway and justify it by giving them some prior warning. These are people's homes. They don't have a lot. They have nowhere to run to. They won't leave. The advances in Israeli technology are so great they should be able to defend themselves against such primitive weaponry compared to theirs without carpeting densely populated areas.

    Gaza is less than 30 miles long and less than ten miles wide, with a population of 1.5M people who have no way out because Israel built a wall around them and cut off any link they had with the rest of Palestine.

    They're equally as bad as each other and both should face serious charges for what is going on here.

    It isn't a dictatorship. They were elected by a population filled with hatred.
     

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