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    Why is he even mentioned as a viable Presidential Candidate? He is the Governor of a State that ranks 50th in everything from Education to Health Care to Job Creation to Unemployment.

    The Boston Globe had an article today, which he participated in, that outlined his "vision" for health care in Mississippi.

    Amid strained clinics, Miss. governor assails health law - The Boston Globe

    Some of my favourite quotes from the article.

    This guy is a buffoon.
     
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    Hello Republicans! No comments on this guy?
     
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    Perhaps nobody cares about Barbour, his quotes in the first and third paragraphs emm reasonable especially the third paragraph. Many people cause their own health issues through lifestyle choices. As M Obama about that.
     
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    Mississippi is the definition of a welfare state. The feds give them $2 for every $1 they give back.

    Barbour gets plenty of face time on Fox News so I guess Murdoch cares about him.

    To quote Dean Wormer in Animal House, "Fat, dumb and stupid is no way to go through life." Unless you live in Mississippi.
     
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    Obama is trying to turn the entire US into a poorer version of Mississippi.

    Nobody care about Barbour.
     
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    Let me get this straight....you actually believe that illegitimacy leads to low birth weight???

    Doesn't anyone find it the least bit ironic that a man who is overweight by more than 80 pounds or so is preaching about "lifestyle choices?"
     
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    I was more focused on this part:

    However a quick search on google shows that Barbour is correct froma medical abstract:



    BTW the links I saw seem to indicate the risk of infant mortality is doubled for unmarried as opposed to married mothers.
     
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    Hannity loves him some Barbour. I may lean to the left but Barbour is a terrible person. His State is #50 in just about every category and he wants to talk about health care?
     
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    Do you have anything more recent than a study done a quarter of a century ago?
     
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    Can you please provide a link for this. Thanks.
     
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    Didn't look any further do yo have recent studies contradicting those findings for women in the South?
     
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    Not according to The March of Dimes - which is probably the one group which knows the most about birth issues.

    What causes low birthweight?

    Preterm labor, labor that happens before 37 completed weeks of pregnancy, frequently results in the birth of a premature, low-birthweight baby. The causes of preterm labor are not thoroughly understood. However, we do know that women with these risk factors are at increased risk for delivering prematurely:

    Had a premature baby in a previous pregnancy
    Are pregnant with twins, triplets or more
    Have certain abnormalities of the uterus or cervix

    Other factors that may contribute to premature birth and/or fetal growth restriction include:

    Birth defects: Babies with certain birth defects are more likely to be growth restricted because genetic conditions and structural abnormalities may limit normal development (2, 3). Babies with birth defects also are more likely to be born prematurely (4).

    Chronic health problems in the mother: Maternal high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart, lung and kidney problems sometimes can reduce birthweight (2, 3).

    Smoking: Pregnant women who smoke cigarettes are nearly twice as likely to have a low-birthweight baby as women who do not smoke (5). Smoking slows fetal growth and increases the risk of premature delivery (5).

    Alcohol and illicit drugs: Alcohol and illicit drugs can limit fetal growth and can cause birth defects (2, 3). Some drugs, such as cocaine, also may increase the risk of premature delivery.

    Infections in the mother: Certain infections, especially those involving the uterus, may increase the risk of preterm delivery (6).

    Infections in the fetus: Certain viral and parasitic infections, including cytomegalovirus, rubella, chickenpox and toxoplasmosis, can slow fetal growth and cause birth defects (2, 3)
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    Placental problems: Placental problems can reduce flow of blood and nutrients to the fetus, limiting growth. In some cases, a baby may need to be delivered early to prevent serious complications in mother and baby.

    Inadequate maternal weight gain: Women who don’t gain enough weight during pregnancy increase their risk of having a low-birthweight baby (2, 6). Women of normal weight should usually gain 25 to 35 pounds during pregnancy.

    Socioeconomic factors: Low income and lack of education are associated with increased risk of having a low-birthweight baby, although the underlying reasons for this are not well understood. Black women and women under 17 and over 35 years of age also are at increased risk (2)



    Low birthweight | Professionals | March of Dimes

    Not a word about the parent's marital status.

    Not one word.
     
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    Illegitimacy is illegitimacy whether it's in the North, East, South or West, 13.

    Here's one from roughly the same era as yours:

    The singleton births in the 1958 British Perinatal Mortality Survey (Butler and Bonham, 1963; Butler and Alberman, 1969) were used to study the aetiology of low birth weight of infants delivered at term. After exclusion of macerated stillbirths and infants with lethal congenital defects, 468 infants of 259 days or more gestation and a birth weight which was less than 2500 g were identified. The mothers and their pregnancies were compared with those of the population of 16 994 singleton births. Delivery at term of a low birth weight infant was significantly associated with maternal prepregnant weight, maternal height, maternal smoking, primiparity, maternal employment, low social class, a previous infant of low birth weight, threatened abortion and severe toxaemia. No significant associations were found with illegitimacy, area of residence, previous spontaneous abortion, essential hypertension, mild toxaemia, chronic or acute infections or other conditions. There were significant negative associations with a history of previous large infants and with maternal blood group AB.

    FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH LOW BIRTH WEIGHT OF INFANTS DELIVERED AT TERM - Fedrick - 2005 - BJOG: An International Journal of Obstetrics & Gynaecology - Wiley Online Library
     
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    When was the last time we had a morbidly obese president? Taft?

    Oh, and this photo is apparently from Barbour's key note speech at the last "Gathering of the Juggalos". 20 minutes after he spoke, someone threw a full beer at Method Man, no joke.


    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3548/3314616500_9163b3daf0.jpg


    On the real?


    Haley,


    call Huckabee, The cheeseburgers have taken over.
     
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    You criticize the study I linked because it was 'so old' then you link an even older study studying a population in a foreign country.



    LOL!!!!!
     
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    Huckabee would love a cheeseburger but Barbour took it from him.

    BTW: Barbour should never come close to running the Country. As an overweight white guy I could be Governer of Mississippi!
     
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    Yes, I did...and I stated that it was from the same era. Your point?

    You have a study which says one thing and I have one which says the opposite.

    I'd go with the March of Dimes - they'd be the ones who'd know, across the country and up to date.
     
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    Keep fighting the good fight as 13 never sites a link when he lays down his "facts"
     
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    As to the MOD While the factors they cite are all certainly valid, do they seek to correlate or de correlate those to their prevalence among married as opposed to unmarried mothers? I so no indication they did in your post.

    IOW the MOD may be correct without showing, but that doesn't address whether unmarried mothers are at higher risk for the problems they cite.
     
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    Try google, the study cited was among the first links for birth weight unmarried mothers.
    :singing:

    Seems like the fat doofus Barbour knew what he was talking about, and you .... not so much.
     

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