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    ....for criminals. Just look at Brazil:

    According to UN statistics cited by the BBC of Brazil, Brazilians own 15 million firearms compared to 270 million held by Americans. Yet American deaths by guns in 2010 numbered 9,960, while Brazil listed close to 36,000 such deaths in 2009. It is also interesting to note that the population of Brazil is nearly 200 million while the United States has over 310 million.
    Put more simply, America has an 18 to one advantage over Brazil in the number of guns, yet proportionally, Brazil suffers six times more deaths by guns than America.
    Why the difference? Brazil has something America does not have: gun control.
    In Brazil, all firearms must be registered with the state. Minimum age for owning a gun is 25 and restrictions make it virtually impossible to have a carry permit. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of gun deaths in Brazil are committed with unregistered and illegal guns, especially high caliber guns.


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    Re: Guns control works well......

    Does their XXI Century Crusade have the imprimatur of the magical magisterium tour???? Maybe so they love extremism..

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    Brazil school shooting: Rio de Janeiro gunman kills 12

    A gunman has shot dead at least 12 children at a school in the Brazilian city of Rio de Janeiro before killing himself, police say



    At least 12 others were wounded when the man entered the school with two revolvers and began shooting.
    The killer has been identified as 23-year-old former pupil Wellington Menezes de Oliveira.
    President Dilma Rousseff wept as she condemned the school massacre - the first of its kind in Brazil.
    The attack happened at the Escola Municipal Tasso da Silveira school in the western Realengo area.
    Officials said Oliveira arrived at the start of the school day and got into the building by saying he had come to give a lecture, but then went into a classroom and began shooting.
    Teachers barricaded the doors of other classrooms while children hid under desks.
    Some wounded children escaped and alerted police, who rushed to the scene.


    BBC News - Brazil school shooting: Rio de Janeiro gunman kills 12


    So let's see.....Brazil has very strict gun laws. All guns need to be registered. The killer is 23 years old so he cant even legally own a gun. He did it all with only revolvers. So I guess it was the assault weapon afterall.

    Oh, and unarmed teachers who's only defense was to wait for police help. I guess that didn't work very well.
     
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    Compared to how many in The United States?

    From your cited article:


    And there were armed guards at Columbine, Virginia Tech and Fort Hood...I guess that didn't work very well, either, did it?
     
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    Re: Guns control works well......

    Guess that there is not a very good understanding of the Brazilian Culture, there are parts of Rio and other big cities that are generally lawless.. favelas???

    At best these areas are a third world country within a more developed country, and are generally lawless...
     
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    Well, there are parts of Oakland that are generally lawless too.
     
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    .......and Detroit, too. Imagine if those poor people in Detroit couldn't get guns to protect themselves.
     
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    Actually they worked great....they stopped further escalation of the violence.





    On April 20, 1999, Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years, was eating lunch when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold arrived at Columbine with their deadly arsenal and deadlier intentions.

    Gardner said he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school's back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris, and the two exchanged gunfire. The exchange with Harris lasted for an extended period of time, during which Harris' gun jammed.

    The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before SWAT teams arrived, and before Harris and Klebold eventually killed themselves in the library.

    Harris and Klebold also carried improvised explosive devices, some that detonated, others that didn't. One thing is certain — the armed resistance of Gardner and his backup bought time and saved lives.


    Read More At IBD: NRA's Wayne LaPierre Advocates Armed School Guards Like At Columbine - Investors.com
     
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    Re: Guns control works well......

    The liberal gun grabbers don't want to hear storys like that it messes up their disneyland mentality, for some insane reason that only they understand they simply do not like the idea of a victim of any crime "fighting back" their instinct is to always blame anything and anybody but the "dirty savage killer" they cried, pulled their hair out and set themselves on fire when Ted Bundy was sent to hell.

    BUY A GUN
    BRING BACK THE NUT HOUSE
    HANG EM HIGH THEN THEY WILL NEVER KILL AGAIN
     
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    And the gun would have jammed regardless of who he was firing it at - students or deputy.

    And students were evacuated from Sandy Hook, too. Before Adam shot himself.

    Nothing that didn't actually happen is "certain." What is more probable, however, is that if the loophole which allows people to buy guns without background checks and then turn around and give them to people who aren't supposed to have them were closed they wouldn't have had the guns in the first place.

    Daily Kos: A Brief Diary re: Columbine & the Assault Rifle Ban
     
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    Re: Guns control works well......

    Say that you gun grabbing socialists do get your gun ban. Guns are illegal, just like drugs.

    Do you still see or hear about drugs in this country? Of course you do. All banning does is create a black market for the banned item (driving up the demand and the prices). That and more of the banned items will be in the hands of the "criminals" instead of law abiding citizens.

    Banning guns will never work like you think it will. There will be more violence after that. In fact, most likely, much more violence because of the fact that the criminals will have them instead of the law abiding citizens.

    By passing these communistic laws, it could even bring forth a major civil/race war right in your back door.
     
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    You obviously do not understand the argument or proposal, instead relying on hysteria..

    Will not go into the details as it would be pearls to swine, so just go to Breitbart as they know the truth..

    Select folks are content with essentially comparing a country that has one foot into the third world to the US.. poor comparison at best.
     
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    Exactly that is exactly what will happen but then The Left Wing Obama Media will stop reporting the killings they won't want you to know about them or how their sappy gun laws failed instead they will be blabbing about that Junkie Armstorng Guy And His Bike and Michelles Hair.

    Liberals Are All Nuts (butterfly chashers) they insist on forcing their will on everybody, they despise many of our freedoms, if their gun law passes many of them will be shot because every maggot criminal in America will have a gun.
     
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    And in breaking news a 15 year old boy, gets an unsecured automatic weapon and slices and dices mom, dad and three siblings.. nothing to see here folks it is all part of another day of carnage in america.

    Christianity Today Gleanings: Teenage Son Kills Former Calvary Chapel Pastor and Four Other Family Members


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    Re: Guns control works well......

    Unlike you, for instance? Talk about extremism and hysteria. However, every American that wants to own a gun will own a gun lawfully. Nothing has or will change. Do you think we're going to get 300 million guns out of circulation? However, if you want to think that anyone wants to take away your right to legally own a firearm, then go right ahead and keep perpetuating the hysteria.
     
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    Guns jam for all sorts of reasons. There is no reason to believe that it would have jammed "regardless". Even if the gun would have jammed, the rounds that were exchanged between the security guard and the assailant could have easily been used to shoot victims instead.


    "The 22 year old man who provided one of the guns fired by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in the Columbine High School massacre was sentenced Friday to six years in prison. Manes received six years in prison for selling a weapon to a minor and three years for possessing a sawedoff shotgun. The sentences will run concurrently.
    Manes mother broke down in tears when he was handcuffed and escorted out of court. But family members of the victims applauded. Justice was served."


    Gun provider sentenced to 6 years in Columbine case - CNN
     
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    As the events in Albuquerque unfold, more information comes to light.. the shooter Nehemiah, was homeschooled and there was no one to possibly identify this kid was troubled, apparently after killing his family was going to fight the world with the weapons he had access to.

    Once again unsecured weapons are the culprit, parents apparently kept the guns in a closet.. he took a .22 and killed his mom and three siblings as they slept, then took the AR 15 and sliced and diced dad when he came home..

    Father was a christian pastor...

    New Mexico homeschooled teen Nehemiah Griego accused of murdering family, planned to keep killing at local Walmart - NY Daily News

     
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    This kid was planning on killing his girlfriend's family and then going down to wal mart for some more killing with his automatic weapons.. after he spent the day with his 12 year old girlfriend, while his family were all dead..

    New Mexico Teen Who Killed Family Planned to Shoot Up Walmart: Cops - ABC News

     
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    I see you still can't grasp the differences between a semi-automatic and an automatic weapon. No that I'm suprised.
     

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