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  1. Sean Pa Patriot

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    was hoping he would come back and see what he could do in a full offseason, but with Warren signed, that throws it out the books...
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    How do you figure? Warren is a 3-4 DE for the Pats.. Burgess is a pass-rushing nickle specialist?
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    Completely unrelated......


    Burgess is a nickel/dime DE passrusher.... he 260 lbs


    Warren is a 3-4 DE, way over 300 lbs. If he makes the team, he'll play 1st and 2nd down, and if he plays on 3rd down, move to DT just like Seymour did.
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    guess you missed the "Patriots will make decision on Burgess within a week" thread started last month. Forget who threw that one out there.
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    Oh you mean the one that was three weeks ago, oh yeah i did see that.. .Guess that is what I ment by the Burgess era is over.. That is how I figure...
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    Should have been signed by now... Lewis and Warren signing, could .. And I say COULD... Signal the end of the short lived Burgess era...
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    Even assuming Warren makes the final roster, depth at DE/OLB is still a need. I don't think you can say it is over yet.
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    Is Burgess under contract?
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    I don't know, but if he's gained 50 pounds, I don't want him.



    Oh, sorry. He's a FA, but he could still sign.

    [Not as a 3-4 lineman was my point.....]
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    That 3rd and 5th rounder would have come in mighty handy this weekend :mad:
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    You mean the ones they just replaced thanks to moving back in the 1st round and again in the 2nd round?

    Sure looked like they missed them...for all of three hours! :D
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    I know BB wheeled and dealed them back but that could have been another 3rd pushed to a 2nd in 2011!! 2 1st and 3 2nds!!
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    If anything crable being healthy(fingers & toes crossed) and the cunningham pick would signal the end of the burgess era....
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    Maybe...or maybe they make other trades that don't net them a 2nd next year instead net them lower picks...either way his cost was nullified.

    Sorry he didn't work out, but not so sorry to see him go.
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    I'd like to see Burgess re-sign.
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    If he plays like he did the last 6 games- yes.

    If he plays like the first 10- no way in hell.
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    So would I. He's a reasonably talented guy who has experience in the system. The fact that his play improved late in the season gives me hope that he hadn't had a full grasp of the system until our last 6 games or so.
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    Let's assume there's a learning curve, or so I've always heard about NE's defense.
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    Nothing to lose.
    I actually thought his best role would have been an INSIDE rusher in the nickel/dime. I'm pretty sure he did that in Philly, sliding into DT on passing downs.
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    Me three. First year in the 3-4, good tackler and AD should be gone. I like Cunningham, but he's got some learning to do.
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    I agree. He played very well at the end of the year. They just may keep him.
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    I think he'll be resigned and given a fair shot at competing for a job this fall.
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    I expect him back.

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    Any chance his coming back had a direct effect on not addressing the supposed pass rushing problem in the draft? Stop gap move if he is brought back, but at least allows them to use the pick elsewhere to address a need.
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    Huh?................
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    There were many complaints that BB didn't address that problem...I am just asking that if the possibility of Burgess's possible returning could have been the result of the "not addressing the need" claim.
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    Well, Thomas is a goner, which leaves them with two one dimensional OLBs. I think Burgess is transitioning to a complete OLB, but we'll see. TBC's difficulty holding the edge are well documented, but he can rush.

    That leaves us short an OLB, not a pass rush specialist, in my opinion.

    Many wanted Carlos Dunlap, a big lanky guy that was unlikely to transition well IMO, leaving us three pass rush specialists not proven to play OLB.

    For those who wanted Dunlap, Cunningham had the same amount of sacks, more tackles for loss and looks to me, much more fluid and instinctive as a tackler.

    You understand the media hypes these one dimensional rushers because they make for good highlights. The GMs of the league showed what they thought of that hype by going on a run of CBs and leaving some of these "can't miss" beasts to the 3-4-5 and lower rounds.

    Also notice which former high picks got traded for a bag of chips around draft time.

    We needed an all around OLB to go with somewhat one dimensional TBC and Burgess in a rotation. I think Cunningham is one. Just my assessment though, he played 4-3 end in college.
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    No. It is BB's philosophy to give everyone a fair shot at competing for a job this fall, and the best man wins it, no matter what their pedigree is, first round or UDFA.
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    Here's an old article by Pat Kirwan, one of the few pundits who know both coaching and personnell in the NFL.

    Sportscenter might still be stuck on the sensational aspect, but front offices are not, based on the recent draft. Remember, the Patriots play a 3-4 base. The rushers have to play linebacker.

    Temper your expectations for draft's first-round pass rushers
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