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    Watching Felger on Comcast Sportsnet and he had a conference call with Greg Papa,the Raiders play-by-play announcer.

    According to Papa:

    1.After thr draft the original discussion between BB and Al Davis was Derek Burgess for Vince Wilfork.

    2.After aquiring Burgess,the Patriots offered Wilfork for number one draft choice,but Oakland wasn't going to go 3-4,so they declined.

    3.Oakland then initiated talks for aquiring Seymour and the deal went thru,quickly.

    4.Oakland offered a 2010 first rounder,but BB wanted 2011.

    5.Papa predicts that there may be more trade activity between the 2 teams,but couldn't specify what it might entail.

    Take it for what it's worth,but Papa seemed to know what he was talking about regarding Al Davis's plan to build a team for now,not later.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    If true, interesting that the Pats were so willing to get rid of Wilfork. Maybe they won't be re-signing him anytime soon...
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    Anyone else on that team that we would even want? :confused2:
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    Do you think that that means BB is commiting to the 4-3 long tem? and if so, why? (actualy looking for your thoughts).
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I hear that they just acquired a hell of a defensive lineman.....

    They've also got the best cornerback in the game.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    perhaps their 2012 first or their 2011 second

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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I'd have taken the 2010 #1 over the 2011 but they know more about it than I do. I understand the thing about a possible rookie scale but more college players will likely come out in 2010 because of it (which will increase the value of our 3 #2s this year). Maybe that's why Bill wanted 2011, with 4 picks in the top two rounds this year he wanted to spread the picks out or something.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer


    Their play-by-play announcer is that involved?

    No wonder they're close to receivership.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    1. That would've been a horrible trade. Pats should've offered Wilfork for Peppers.
    2. Who says you have to run a 3-4 with Wilfork?
    4. Probably because BB believes there will finally be a rookie pay scale in place.
    5. I can't think of anybody else they would want that the Raiders would be willing to give up.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    hard to believe BB trading wilfork for burgess straight up..
    the rest of the story is predictable.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I think that's exactly what it means.This is getting kind of scary,because it makes me think that the pats and Wilfork are far apart in money figures.Off the top of my head,I think that there are know,8-10 teams that are playing 3-4.Vince would be very attractive to a team like Green Bay.Don Capers is now helping with their 3-4 transition and IMO,GB is going to win the NFC.

    Aquiring Wilfork would make them a lock.

    The other thing here is that Vince has gone out and shown that he can be a MONSTER as a DT in a 4-3 scheme,at least in preseason.

    If we keep him,he may turn out to be the biggest suprise of all this season.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I find some of that very hard to believe. Wilfork for Burgess would've made zero sense(unless you're the Raiders of course). No chance that 'talk' existed aside from Davis offering and BB hanging up the phone.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    read it again.....The raiders feel that you need to be 3-4 with Wilfork.....that's THEIR opinion,not mine or anyone else quoted in the post.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    If true, most likely because of the financial aspect
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    now watch felger flip this question to wilfork next week...nice way to start preparing for you first week like the milloy situation :mad:
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I think this is by far the more likely scenario.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    We just added 11 draft choices this year.....BB doesn't want anymore 2010 choices.......he'll be packaging choices next year to get 2 0r 3 guys and dumped some more into 2011 and 2012.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I believe the draft does not extend beyond 2011 under the current CBA.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    Oh yea,Felger was delighted that this might cause problems in the locker room.......Borges,too......he said BB is selling out 2009 for a later draft choice.

    They're both haters and scumbags.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    That was the first thing i thought, to me it makes the rest suspect.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I understood you the first time. It was directed towards the Raiders or whoever else wanted him.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    Greg Papa didn't say it was Burgess for Vince,straight-up.He just said the two were involved in trade talks before the Seymour deal.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    even so. the burgess trade rumors were there for a long time. if wilfork wouldve been involved it wouldve been leaked IMO if even greg papa knows it.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    you mean like the leaks during the Moss,Welker,Thomas anf Seymour deals?
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    moss was talked before the draft too if i remember correctly.welker ,thomas didnt go/com from the raiders.
    either way burgess/wilfork exchange doesnt make much sense.
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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    Well, the following would count as a "conversation":

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    Re: Greg papa:raidrs play-by-play announcer

    I don't think it's out of line to believe that BB would talk trade regarding any player on the team. Especially if it is with the Raiders.

    Likely the Raiders showed an interest, but were not willing to pony up what it would take to nab Wilfork. Sending the pick we did for Burgess may have been the grease for the 1st for Sey.

    Now this Papa dude is no Raider familia. But he does call the game with Tom Flores, so he may have an inside lane.
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    Watching the show, Papa was pretty clearly just speculating on most, if not all of this stuff and he's not really dialed in on the Raiders trade talks.

    Felger said there had been rumors in Boston that Wilfork was in trade talks regarding the Patriots and Raiders a few weeks ago (which I don't recall at all). Then he asked Papa whether he had heard the same and Papa said something like "well that wouldn't surprise me, I was actually secretly hoping Oakland would land Wilfork back at the draft when the Derrick Burgess rumors were out there and you were hearing how Wilfork's contract might become a problem". He never came out and said that Oakland turned down Wilfork for a 1st. He mentioned that he, and speculated that the Raiders, would value Seymour more because Seymour was a better fit for a 4-3 defense in his eyes. He basically said he didn't think Wilfork could play in the 4-3.

    Regarding who initiated the trade talks, Felger asked him and Papa guessed that Oakland was the one because he says they really needed a guy like Seymour.

    He predicted there would be more trades between these teams based on BB's and Al's relationship and success dealing with each other in the past. Felger asked him why they seem to have such a good relationship and Papa said that Al has always liked BB and nearly hired him over Gruden.

    This guy was definitely not Adam Schefter esque in his reporting and not some big time NFL insider. He was asked a lot of questions by Felger and went with what he thought was educated speculation (though thinking he could ever get Wilfork for Derrick Burgess wasn't so educated).
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    Thanks for clearing up the context and content.
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    Can't we flip a high #1 in 2010 for a high #1 and #2 (perhaps #3) in 2011? There awalys seem to be teams desparate to win now.

    The worst we could do is probably a straightup trade to the next year.
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