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    lol why did they even bother?

    Think they made that offer before or after they offered the lions a 6th round pick for Calvin Johnson and Donkeykong Suh?
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    Unless the OP wants to argue the Patriots would have been smart to shell out the absurd money Jennings got from the model franchise and perennial contender Minnesota Vikings (which seems like a dubious proposition, given the market), then what is this other than the usual gaggle of malcontents whining about the Patriots being cheap?

    You can certainly argue that the Patriots have exhibited questionable judgment relating to contracts in the past, but if you want to have that discussion it helps when you start off with a, you know, actual example of such.
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    pats should have signed jennings and traded him to minny
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    I'm just amused by our shopping at walmart philosophy. I wouldn't want Jennings for that contract or Mike Wallace for his. I do think, however, it has cost us in the past. Literally, superbowls when you reflect on 2006 or our lack of pass rush or db's the last 5 years.
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    Yes, we should have guaranteed him the $18 million he received from the Vikings. After all, Brady needs just one receiver to put us over the top......we need a running back to put us over the top......we need a center to put us over the top.....we need a slot receiver to put us over the top....we need a .........get the point? Defense wins championships and that is where we need to be solid. Every year the Patriots were World Champions they had a great defense. Every year they lost a Superbowl, not so much.
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    Whether the Pats made the offer or not, we can all agree that the Pats blew it for not overpaying for a WR who appears to be breaking down that neither his old coach in Miami who was spending like a drunken sailor wanted and his team from last year refused to match the offer of the team that acquired him or franchise him for around $9 million.

    Seriously, didn't want Jennings in the first place. I would have lived with him at $6 million a year. Don't care if the Pats low balled him because their rumored offer was really the only offer around what Jennings should have got.

    Jennings was the second best WR in free agency, not because he is so good anymore, but because the free agent market for WRs sucked.
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    Felgie, you're back!!!!
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    I like how having a winning record every year, AFC titles, playoff appearances but only three Super Bowls, is proof that what we are doing in free agency is wrong.

    darn.
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    So the philosophy that built the team to one that was that close to winning SBs should be replaced by the one the Redskins have used?
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    Jennings can please himself when he catches 60 balls a season from Ponder and barely sniffs winning records for the remainder of his career. Wait a minute, that sounds like his Green Bay career (without the winning).
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    The Pats were one minute from going to the Super Bowl in 2006. And that had nothing to do with Walmart shopping. It was because they mishandled the Branch situation and the league forced them to trade him.

    This time in 2006, no one realistically thought Branch would actually hold out into the season or that Belichick would screw up and let him shop himself which caused Branch to file a grievance and Tagliabue force Belichick to trade him to avoid a precedence to be set.

    As for DBs, that was poor drafting at the position (a trend that seems to be changing with McCourty and Dennard). Not being cheap.
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    When it comes to paying for a game changing playmaker, ala, Peppers or Revis, you get what you pay for. When you have the worst ranked passing defense in the NFL 3-4 years in a row yeah you've got a problem. When any mediocre bum can throw for 4-500 yds against your crap defense you might have a problem. When you trade down in the draft year after year trying to capture "value" in the scrub category while your defense flounders, uh, yeah you have a problem. If this team didn't have Tom Brady, I doubt you'd be witnessing this level of consistent success. Brady covers up the ridiculous shortcomings of our cheap front office.
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    Peppers has been good in Chicago, but he wasn't what they paid for. He was vastly overpaid for his production.

    The Pats have been to back to back Conference Championships and went to the Super Bowl. The Bears spend big bucks and draft picks to get marquee players like Peppers, Cutler, and Brandon Marshall yet haven't even gotten into the playoffs the last two years.

    I say the Pats should be like the Bears and spend big bucks on flashing free agents and trades and not make the playoffs. I think it is funny that you would emulate the Bears' strategy.
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    You guys take a statement and run with it. The Bears have their problems. Defense sure as hell isn't one of them. The pats have had crap D since 2007.Total crap. Is this even arguable?
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    How are the Jets and Bears doing after paying for those guys?


    If you wish to be taken seriously don't insult your own position by ridiculous exaggeration.

    Since BB arrived in 2000, the Patriots have allowed the 3rd fewest points in the NFL.
    In the last 5 years, they have allowed the 4th fewest.
    Of course since BB arrived they have won more playoff games and SB than any other team as well.
    I'm not sure when you showed up as a fan, but you seem to be lacking some information.


    If the team didn't have Tom Brady it would be a different team making different decisions. Teams with good QBs win, this one, in general, wins more than any other.
    You seem to be creating a 'what if' to make your argument which doesn't stand up without going into a pretend land.
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    Right, they paid so much for their defense, they don't have the money to upgrade their O-line to avoid getting their QB killed. Being cheap is an acceptable criticism in baseball where there is no hard cap. In the NFL as long as you're spending to the cap every year, as the Pats are doing, it is a matter of allocating resources. Do you overpay for players#1-5 and not have enough to upgrade the back end of your roster or do you allocate to each position to maximize the total roster value to ensure that you put the best most competitive team out there every year???

    While the defense hasn't been great, it's ranking in points allowed since 2006 (out of 32)
    #2,4,8,5,8,15,9. They have been the top half of least points allowed every year......
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    Yeah, they have a god-awful o-line. Why?!? They have no cap money to fix it.

    The fact of the matter is that most of the Super Bowl winners over the last decade don't make big splashes in free agency and build homegrown talent. Let's review:

    2012 - Baltimore - rarely if ever make big free agent splashes. The only notable free agent acquistions I can think of were Boldin and Pollard

    2011 - Giants - rarely if ever make big free agent splashes. I can't think of one significant free agent acquistion

    2010 - Packers - Rarely if ever make free agent acquistions. Woodson was a free agent, but he was a value free agent that the Raiders dumped.

    2009 - Saints - The exception with several big free agent acquisitions

    2008 - Steelers - Rarely makes any significant free agent acquistions - None on this team that I can think of

    2007 - Giants - Plaxico is the only one I can think of

    2006 - Colts rarely if ever dip into the big name free agent market. No notable free agents acquisitions.

    2005 - Steelers - No notable big name free agent acquistions

    2004 - Pats

    2003 - Pats

    So one team in the last decade won a Super Bowl with a big splash free agent move to build their team. Typically, if you build your team making big splashes in free agency, you end up with busts (Mario Williams, Nmadi Asomugha, etc.).
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    Since 2007 the Patriots have allowed the 3rd fewest points in the NFL.
    Unless TOTAL CRAP = the worst 30 of 32 teams, then you are right, it isn't even arguable, but in the opposite way than what you meant.
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    This team hasn't won a superbowl in a decade. If you enjoy going to the playoffs every year but getting blown up by anyone with a good defense and any qb with a pulse, I guess you're in hog heaven. I think this nonsense has squandered possibly the best QB to ever play the game.
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    So the team hasn't won a Super Bowl since 2004 and you want the Pats to adopt the free agency strategy of the Washington Redskins who haven't won in nearly three decades. The Eagles and Jets adopted that strategy and it ripped apart their teams.

    The Bills made a big splash in free agency this year and they suck just as bad as they did before they spent a fortune on Mario Williams.
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    You really need to recognize how a capped system works. You get a good team by getting more value from players than you pay them. The 'game changing playmakers' get paid so much that there is very little chance to get more from them than you pay for. Teams that win long term, like the Patriots, build their team around players in their first contract, role players, and smart free agent signings.
    The type of players you are talking about are great players, but their cost prohibits building a complete team.
    Look at the WR position.
    In the past 5 years, these are top receiving yardage leaders.
    Johnson
    White
    Johnson
    Welker
    Marshall
    Wayne
    Fitzgerald
    Smith
    Colston
    Jackson

    Of the 10 in 5 season, only 1 won a SB.
    C Johnson hasn't won a playoff game. White didnt until this year. Andre Johnson has won 2. Marshall has not won a playoff game. Smith has not won a playoff game. Jackson has not won a playoff game.

    The top 10 receivers are mostly a list of teams that fail. Yet, everyone here is calling for high priced WRs.
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    No one wants that you homers take any point and hyperbolize it to infinity to make everyone who doesn't agree with your BB worship look like fools. You have 24 million in cap space go get an impact young player that won't break down because he's 35 and stinks.

    No one is saying get 3 of these guys and kill all your cap they want a 1 or 2 along with the depth signings because this team lacks impact players on the defensive side of the ball.

    :rolleyes: In b4 I'm called a whiner for not agreeing with BB.
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    Since the last time the Patriots have won the SB, they have 8 playoff wins, 1 less than Baltimore and Pittsburgh who share the lead with 9.
    Again, you are conflicted by the facts.
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    Its not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. Its a matter of calling for a change from a proven successful approach to a proven unsuccessful approach.
    It doesn't matter to me if its the janitor making the decisions, the Patriots approach to building a team has unequivocally proven more successful than the teams that go after top money free agents.
    If what BB did wasn't working the same people supporting him would be derisive.
    YOU are basing it on having an agenda, while 95% of the BB supporters are supporting the results, not the man.
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