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    Almost didn't want to give this guy the site traffic by linking his site or even creating this post, but what the heck. He like many writers is blasting Belichick for letting Welker go (legitimate to do), but he supports his argument by stating that he really isn't all that good and he just benefits from Brady.

    The funny thing is that he credits Brady for the Super Bowls and Super Bowl appearances and use Peyton, Brees, Marino, Tarkenton, and Jim Kelly. Yet between all of those QBs, you have two Super Bowl trophies COMBINED and Belichick and Brady have three.

    Yes, Belichick benefits from Brady, but Brady benefits from Belichick. Arguably the best head coach/QB combo in NFL history.

    BTW, he was on WEEI and said the Harbaughs are great coaches especially Jim. His evidence that Jim is the best coach in the NFL is that everywhere he goes they have success AFTER HE LEAVES because he left his DNA.

    Here is the "best: excerpt from the article:

    Belichick gets credit, but it's Brady who keeps Patriots winning - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Does Brady allow BB to go from a "B" to an "A" grade? Sure just as Manning made Dungy, Aikman made Johnson, Montana made Walsh, etc. Having said that you can't shine a turd. Brady would make Rex Ryan look good to a degree but even a HOF QB can't make up for a coach who is otherwise average.

    It will be interesting to see BB in the post Brady era assuming he stays on.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Who's greg doyel again?
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Not going to click because Doyle's premise is obviously true. Belichick is just not as great as all those coaches who won multiple Super Bowls and had a decade-plus of sustained success (in the salary cap era) with average or worse QBs.







    :rolleyes:
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Such a freaking dumb piece of writing by a typical media scallywag looking for clicks...F Him....
    This is right along the lines of all those Prisco gems from 03 and 04 in which he proclaimed that Indianapolis would have their way with Pats in the playoffs because, simply, Indianapolis "has more stars and pro bowlers"....Jack hole
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    What other coach gets the volume of negative press from national media that BB does? For people like Doyle, Easterbrook, Breer and countless others, an acknowledgement that Belichick is even "good" is like dragging their genitals through broken glass. It's just so phony, agenda-driven and personal that they should embarrassed, but they aren't and the evidence is that they periodically re-state it again and again.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Well below average writers opinions mean nothing and aren't worth reading. Probably shouldn't have been worth commenting on.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Erika Leigh took a lot of heat on this forum (rightly so), but the truth is that most of these clowns are no better. They're all just looking for clicks, as clicks equal job security.

    So who would Doyle consider great coaches? Lombardi? Knoll? Landry? Walsh? Shula?

    Would seem to be these titans, I expect, but if he's going to dismiss the Hoodie out of hand so casually because of Brady, does it occur to him that these coaches had pretty much their entire teams in hand for their glory runs? Look at the Steelers 1979 roster compared to their 74 roster - almost identical.

    Look at the salary total for the 49'ers glory run and compare it to the rest of the league - they were the Yankees of football, outspending others teams by a ton to get and retain the elite players.

    Being a coach in today's NFL is as much about money management as anything else, and thus far into the salary cap era, no one is better than Belichick, and there are numbers to prove that.

    But Doyle got his clicks, no doubt. In today's media market, that trumps intelligent discussion.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Belichick in ~30 years of being a DC/HC has 5 rings and 8 SB appearances.
    That's not a bad record. Its possible that he's just lucky (happened to be DC when the giants had a good d; happened to be HC when Pats got Brady); but unlikely
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Did anyone tell ...Doyle...you need more than 1 player ...to make a team....
    and just because you have talent...you will win it all....Just ask the eagles .....
    You need leaders (stars & good coaches), you need role players, and luck to be on your side. You can put TB on Cleveland.....and he would win some games...but it would take time....u need a structure to win...thats where a coach is so important.....
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    I liked "journalism" more without the internet.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    There's still a lot of good journalism out there. Just a lot more "journalism" to have to wade through.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    There is a small kernel of truth that luck has something to do with being great, just look at the difference between winning the first 3 Super Bowls versus losing the last 2. They both come down to a handful of plays going just right or just wrong. Which is why this is even worth talking about. Then I remember the books I've read, the documentaries I've watched and I roll my eyes and say this guy clearly does not know what he is talking about. Was Bill lucky to get Brady? absolutely, but so was every other great coach to some extent with some players. Walsh had Montana and Rice both severely under-drafted. Coaching is only half of the equation, you need great players to make great coaching worth while.

    So I turn to what people who have been around him say. Listen to former players who have played for other coaches and almost without exception they comment on how prepared he is, how focused on every little detail he is. They talk about his sayings like "do your job" and tells them what their job will be and exactly what they have to do to win. He is a teacher who gets his players to understand what it takes to win. Then in the game it happens exactly like he says. He is a gambler who is right far more often then he is wrong and is not afraid to make the tough decision. Comes off as cold blooded but again from everything I read seems to genuinely care about his guys.

    Go back to his start as a coach and again from all reports look how hard he works, and his love of the game. He went from being an unpaid intern to an indispensable film guy in a couple of months with the Colts. His bosses have nothing to say except how smart he is and how much they need him to stay. They marvel at his thirst for knowledge and his willingness to learn. He is innovative and does not have a particular method besides what will work and win. Look at the recent changes and fads going around the NFL. The switch back to the 3-4 Defense, the 2 TE set, the shotgun spread. All Billicheck wrinkles adopted ahead of the NFL.

    Does Brady help elevate Billicheck from best in the current NFL to potentially best of all time? Yeah, but it's a two way street and Brady would not have the team he has had without Billicheck. Comparing what might be is a pointless exercise when the numbers they do have, say we have the best Head Coach/QB combo ever and I am ok with that. Let the haters, hate.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Another mediot who is giving BB and the Patriots free rent in his brain..

    These guys obviously confuse BB's media disdain with weakness..

    There is no coach I would rather have, as I proudly wear my "University Of Belichick" T-Shirt..
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    People who try to sell papers have slanted vision.

    You must also count those days as an assistant in New York, plus the two we made and lost.

    Just to get there is a great achievement. Where are all Parcells trophey's without Belichick?
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Below average writers benefit from the internet. If it wasn't for the internet they would be just talking to themselves.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Belichick is a great coach. The best in the league. He makes mistakes, but he's also human. I think Doyle is confusing personnel evaluator with coach.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    It must be the start of Idiot Season - that period in between free agency and draft and then after the draft when "reporters" have to make up shyte to make themselves look relevant. What does some hack from the mid west know anything about the way the Patriots operate. Yes, it was Brady who built up the Pats defense in the early 2000's when they won their SB's. It was Brady who coached up Cassel when he went down so the Pats would go 11-5. It was Brady who came up with the 2 tight end set utilizing Gronk and Hernandez and revolutionizing the position. It was Brady who move McCourty to Safety and picked up Talib in a trade to shore up the defense last year.

    Why can't it just be that the Pats have been fortunate to have a Hall of Fame Coach and QB that worked well together and an owner that didn't meddle in the business allowing the teams to be sustainable and successful. Is that such a hard thing to fathom? Can you imagine what this same media exposure would have been like when the '9ers were letting Montana and Rice go to other teams.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    Pre-Internet this sort of crap never would have been written. In this age of "too much information," people either have to be outrageous -- or really, really, REALLY good -- to get noticed. Guess what we get more of now.
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    Re: Greg Doyle: Belichick is an above average,not great coach who benefits from Brad

    So what does that make guys like Dungy, Cowher, Payton, and others who have had top qb's in this era with no more than one Super Bowl? The media slobbers all over these guys but where are the results?
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