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Time for Patriots to draft an impact receiver - Patriots - Boston.com
It'll be incredible, and a real mistake, if they don't go WR with their first pick*:
A) It's the only desperate need on the team
B) It's the position they've put the most effort in to exploring pre-draft.
C) The draft class aligns really well in terms of both who's available near where we pick and in terms of depth. Ideal for double-dipping.
* There are certainly scenarios where not picking WR first wouldn't necessarily be a mistake, but in general terms, they need to go WR first.
Is there an impact receiver in the first round where they are selecting or where they can even trade up to? My understanding is that this class is deep, but there is no real studs and the guys they can get in the second round aren't much different than the ones they can get in the first unless someone falls.
I still rather see the Pats take d-line with their first pick. Looks like the quality of players drop off more after the first round guys are selected than the drop off with WRs. I think more pass rushers are as big or bigger need than WR. Certainly more than the secondary which I don't think needs more than depth other than maybe at safety.
Unless somebody unexpected drops to 29 where the value is too high then I expect it'll be a WR. I still think they could trade into the second and then double dip. Ending up with Wheaton and Patton for instance would be great.
Slightly off topic but it's interesting that in draft media land there's an almost consensus on the Patriots taking a CB first.
There's going to be quality receivers there at the beginning of the second round, if the team can pull the trigger on a trade with a team that has an early second round pick. After that, you'll have a lot of teams that have needs at the WR position (including the Jets) picking. If the team trades down, it should address the DL with it's second 2nd round pick. Not it's first.
I don't think the Jets will have a need. Odds are good that they draft Tavon Austin with one of their first two picks.
Pats fans are setting themselves up for disappointment, the Patriots will draft a guard with the 29th overall pick.
I'm not. I'm expecting Austin to go before they pick, in spite of the many mocks that have them taking him.
Hey look. A Jay Shields sighting! Mr. Shields, would you care to enlighten us with your thoughts?
Re: Bedard:Time for Patriots to draft an impact receiver
Mark it down the Patriots will not make WR their first round pick.
I'm expecting the Pats to trade out of round one and pick twice in round 2.
We can handle it. At one point everyone seemed to be on board with the idea of getting jonathan cooper. BB will have to try really hard to piss us off this year.:rocker:
If it's Pugh or Cooper then I'd be very happy with that.
Sorry greg...pats first pick will be Cb or DE
Cooper would be a coup if picked at 29, I think. Would be really cool to see where the Patriots have the OL prospects graded out. How do they grade Cooper/Warmack versus DeCastro versus Mankins, for instance?
From Mankins to Vollmer to Soldier on down the line, they don't grade / pick along the same lines as the mainstream draft talkers. I don't recall many people mocking those guys to the Patriots. It's hard to argue with their success on early OL picks, and even OL picks in general except a few 5th + rounders.
Unless someone falls to them, I really doubt the Pats will pick a CB. I expect it to be a DE or DT.
I've found it to be split between CB and DE with the DE's being the ones that could play 3-4 or 4-3 in Jones and Hunt for the most part.
Yeah, we know you're here. We know you want to expound. Wax rhetoric!
It is the worst idea Bedard's had yet. What happens to newspaper reporters when they go to Sports Illustrated? Is there a hookah set up in the SI lobby that HR makes you suck on a few times before they show you to your computer? Peter King, once one of the best football writers anywhere, killed so many brain cells at SI that now he's a babbling idiot and can't keep up with most of the people on this messageboard.
Bedard understands too well that the Patriots are awful at selecting receivers in the draft. The two best receivers of the Belichick era - Welker and Moss -came via trade for draft picks (Welker for a 2nd and Moss for a 4th.)
Do that again. Trade the #2 for some mid-career stud who they know is smart and can grasp the playbook.
Please do not draft some college kid who will be overwhelmed from day one, again.
Meat and potatoes rounds 1 through 6 wr in round 7
I noted this in another thread:
If the Patriots want to do a drop down from round one and still keep their pick of the WR prospects, they've pretty much got to limit the drop to no further than the Eagles at 2.3. After that comes a run of teams needing WR help:
Come the end of tonight two or three of those teams may not have a WR need anymore. In fact, by the time the Pats will be in position to trade their pick, they will know if there will be a strong market for WRs in round two or not.
By the time the Pats are on the clock and ready to pick or trade the pick, the entire landscape on the WR market could be shifted radically. It could be that there will be plenty of WRs to choose from in the second round without much competition where they would trade back to. On the flip side, there could be an unexpected run on WRs in the first and the Pats will be forced to get someone they were targeting in the second round at 29.
I expect 2-3 WRs to already be off the board. That's why the drop has to be so small. If more have come off the board by then, dropping down may not even be an option if they're looking to have the pick of the WRs.
I missed the thread where we traded into the top 10 to get Austin. Other than Austin, no wide receiver is a likely immediate impact player.
They have an impact receiver! Danny Amendola!!
I am too, but those 2-3 WRs might go to teams that you listed.
I think we'll get a WR with their 1st selection but, it will be some guy nobody but draft junkies have ever heard of. But, he'll turn out to be a stud.
Comment today from Bedard:
Patriots haven't drafted well because the WRs they take early are dumb. Woods is no dummy.
He also had this to say when asked about WR Markus Wheaton:
Good, solid players. One of the guys they could take. But the difference to me, between Woods and Wheaton, is Woods needs less development. He's ready right now. Wheaton isn't. If I'm the Patriots, and especially if I pick up a two for Mallett, I'm double dipping at WR. I'm taking the surer thing in round one, and then I'm going for the freak athlete in 2 or 3.
Another comment from Bedard in his chat this morning:
I think you're mistaking the Patriots wanting and exploiting the other team in base defense for conservatism. Just because a team isn't in shotgun with five wide doesn't mean they're being conservative. That being said, the lack of a functioning X receiver has really hurt this team since Moss left. Deion Branch gives you little. Brandon Lloyd had zero toughness and no YAC. There has to be at least one receiver in this draft that can give you what Lloyd gave you, if not top it. If you're the Patriots, go find him. You've had all year to scout these guys.
There is also this, which echoes the opinion of several people on this forum:
Nothing to some people. I've consistently said the offense needs to be addressed. Offense (14.3 points) has been the problem in recent playoff losses, not the defense. And with Welker gone and Gronkowski slow to heal, I definitely feel offense is the more needy area.
Lastly, in regards to the Pats' philosophy with evaluating wide receivers, and what needs to change:
Well, they went wrong in many different directions on Jackson. If you want all the details, I suggest you read War Room by Michael Holley. Basically, every scout and WR coach Brian Daboll (who is back now) hated Chad Jackson. Said he was lazy and not very bright. But Belichick completely overrode them in favor of Urban Meyer. And instead of drafting Greg Jennings, the Patriots traded up and made the worst pick of Belichick's tenure.
The constant theme is the Patriots have chosen athletic ability over football smarts. People like to rail against the Wonderlic, but, I'm sorry, it's not just a coincidence that the only star the Patriots have drafted at WR -- Deion Branch -- also scored the highest by far at the position (don't know Edelman's, but I'm guessing it was also high).
The Patriots look for two things first: ability to catch, and to gain separation. Sorry, but they need to change it to: catch, ability to process the game/smarts and then go from there. There is no point drafting a guy who is not going to do what Brady wants because he's not going to get on the field. EVER
NFL Draft chat with Greg A. Bedard Thursday at 11 a.m. - Extra Points - Boston.com
Just as an aside:
With this lousy QB class, we can afford to hold out hope that some team will absolutely panic and decide to make the huge gamble for Mallett. While I think that would be crazy of the trading team, we've seen plenty of crazy over the years.
Edit: and as I type this, Bedard is reporting that multiple teams have called the Patriots about a Mallett trade.
One more very interesting stat provided by Bedard:
Since 1991, 25 percent of first-round receivers have caught at least 50 balls as rookies. In the second round, it's 10 percent.
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