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    Interesting read. Thanks for posting.
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    Good read, Mr. Kraft deserves major props from me.
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    Ahhh.... well played sir!
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    Bob's The MAN!
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    Indeed. He's a man who understood potential, looked at the hands he was dealt, and knew he could win. Thanks the Gods he bought the team!

    V/R
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    And Mrs. Kraft. He married into the base of his fortune through her, and she obviously hasn't shared his Patriots obsession, but she never really stood in his way.
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    Good read. Didn't know he started out with the parking lots. Remember the Ct. proposal, was pretty pissed at the time. Hopefully, he's a healthy 69, want to see this guy around for a long time.............He just might be Boston's all-time owner. The only one I can think of who would give him a run would be Walter Brown.
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    Terrific article. The stuff about the negotiations with Orthwein was really impressive.
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    Kraft held the upper hand because he approached it from the real estate angle. As I recall he was partners with a guy named Karp and they went by the name "K & K". I remember being really annoyed that these yahoos that owned the parking lots were calling all the shots. And when they got the stadium it looked even worse, like a real amatuer hour. Little did I know. And wasn't Eddie Andelman also involved with the real estate somehow?

    Nice of the Yahoo writer to add a whole gratuitous paragraph on Spygate, which had nothing at all to do with the main point of the article. Jerk.
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    I remember K & K too and also thought they were some rinky dink outfit, glad things worked out the way they did.
    Seems Eddie Andleman was always involed with these things.
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    Great article, thanks for sharing.

    It's easy to credit BB and Tom Brady for the team's success, but having a great owner also makes a big difference. Just ask the Cowboys and Redskins how much ownership can matter.
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    I remember reading another article, some anniversary or maybe the demolition of the old stadium (great article). Anyway, there was a story in there about Andleman owning property next to the stadium and the ownership wanted permission to move something onto the stadium property and the only possible way was through his land. Of course, he denied them access.
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    Eddie owned the old Foxboro Raceway, and yes, he was very recalcitrant towards the Pats' requests.
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    I did a spit take on this one. Billy Sullivan was starting to struggle financially in 1985?
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    So if I want to own the Patriots all I need to do is buy every parking lot in a 3 mile radius? I'm on it
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    LOL, that was such a unique situation that will probably never happen again in this region for a major sport. The Patriots used to be a second rate organization for years under the Sullivans the few good teams notwithstanding.
    Remember Matt Millen taking a shot at the younger Sullivan? I saw the game against Oakland while I was visiting family in Florida and picked up a copy of USA Today on the flight home and the front page of the sports section had the pic of Millen taking a shot at Sullivan.
    I thought for sure they were gone, its a miracle that there was someone like Bob Kraft to engineer the situation the way he did and keep the team here, anyone else would have taken the easy money and ran.
    I used to dream about a good owner taking over and turning us into a class A org and it happened. Thats why I find it absurd when these younger fans ***** and moan because we won but didnt look good. They dont know how good it is here.
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    Yep. For a change someone was writing a nice article, and then BAM. He just had to throw in sh*tgate. :mad:
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    Oh, that was POETRY. :rocker:
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    Yes, but thank God Michael Jackson's Victory Tour bailed him out!! :D
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    he swung and hit sullivan with his helmet. i always wondered why sullivan never pressed charges. assault with a deadly weapon sounds about right. what would goodell do today if a player swung and hit an owner with his helmet. all hell would break loose. but because it was the raiders and patriots, nothing happened , just like stingley.
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    a great story in a great article for a great owner

    thanks
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    Indeed.

    Red Sox History turned on its axis, the day Henry took over.
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    Eggzackly! I hope Mrs. Sullivan at least got the cottage on the Cape she was promised in 1959.:D
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    Do you get to watch the game Thursday?

    Do you have a similar harvest festival in Italy? If so, is there a traditional main dish?

    Happy Thanksgiving Pat. Thanks for good friends and good football!
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    At that point Pat Sullivan was the GM -I thought he was a good guy and good GM - by far the most competent of all the Sullivans - but he must have been kind of a nut too. Did the Sullivans still own the team?

    It was right as the game ended where the Pats defeated Oakland in a playoff game. Sullivan had been heckling Millen the whole game from the bench area, apparently real crazy sh*t. Millen assaulted him while in full uniform as the game ended.
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    Yep. Celtics are also a prime example. You get an ownership group that knows how to generate revenue and are financially committed to putting a championship-caliber team on the floor.:D

    Bruins are another example although you can make the case that they are spending money like crazy now but for 30 years they spent just enough to be competitive. :mad:
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    1) Great memory about seeing the Millen punch against Pat Sullivan on the front of USA Today. My experience was that I was in the middle of a month of backpacking/Eurailing through Europe after completing my Junior year fall semester abroad in London, staying in hostels one night to the next and I was straining to get any news of the Pats each day. Finally, got the 6 page version of the International Herald Tribune in Vienna - - and there was ol' Matt Millen on the front page slugging Pat. My friends and I screamed so loud in the middle of St Stephensplatz - - there were alot of startled Austrians!

    2) Re: Your last paragraph: That should be required reading for every misguided teenager that comes on this site to moan about "how cheap Kraft is".
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