Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by pats1, Apr 8, 2006.
Easily cut then.
is that $275,000 on our cap then?
His salary wouldn't really matter. It's the signing bonus. I haven't seen anything on how much, if any (Warfield got nothing, Tebucky got $300k) Gramatica got.
No, it's actually $425,000:
He also most likely displaced a player with the $275k rookie minimum salary on the Top 51 list, meaning the total team cap number gets adjusted again.
Posted this last night in what I figured was the appropriate Pats Sign Gramatica existing thread:
Yesterday, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spacecrime
Sorry if I missed this elesewlhere, but has contract details on Grammatica been released? Number of years? Signing bonus?
The NFLPA site is showing only 1 year $585,000. Haven't seen any contract details posted as to any signing or workout bonuses, and there may well not be any. If that's the case it's a veteran minimum contract.
Not directed at you specifically Pats1, just saying ...we have so many duplicate threads (or more) lately they are pushing existing threads down or off page one to restart discussions that have already often been extensively covered.
I wish IAN would empower our Mods to do some basic thread merging. It gets really silly (and for some confusing) here at times and the draft will only unleash another round of emerging lurkers and newbies as well as longstanding members intent on trumping each other with breaking news or highlighting their POV via starting seperate threads rather than posting their opinions in existing ones.
Don't worry, you're talking to the #1 advocate of just what you're saying!
The only problem is that Gramatica thread was 2 pages long, so things like this can get buried.
going from adam to tiny winnie gramatica is like going from the penthouse to the outhouse. how utterly depressing
FWIW - Gramatica displaced a player with a $350,000 salary. All of the players with a $275,000 salary have not been in the Top 51 for awhile now.
That's actually a good thing, too!
Actually didn't he really displace a player with a 2.5 million salary?
If Gramatica wins the job over presumed future competition from rookies/another vet and comes close to matching his former skills then this deal will look pretty good in hindsight. 2 million will buy a pretty good player that can be used on more than 10 plays a game.
It's too bad that whoever wins the job, no matter how well he plays overall, will still be held to unreasonable scrutiny when he inevitably misses a couple of field goals.
Glass half full or half empty?
Going from a 33-34 year old probowl kicker to a 30 year old probowl kicker with a stronger leg, coming back from injury, is another way of viewing it.
For our Brit fans :
"The [old] King is Dead. Long Live the [new] King! "
Not to mention going from a guy revered by the whole sports press, the guy that made "kicker" a legitimate position on a football roster.... to a guy that turned Jimmie Kimmel into Nostradamus, by getting injured celebrating a relatively unimportant kick.
Goodbye "Crazy Train," hello "GOOOOOOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!"
Eh well. With luck a rook'll beat him out for the job. Or we can keep him around just for kickoffs.
Not on the Top 51 list. Adam has been gone from that since early March.
I was talking more big picture than exact statistic. While he technically erases a $350,000 player he realistically joins up with a 2 million player to replace a 2.5 million K. Sentimentality aside (and as long as a solid K is found to replace AV) this is a reasonable decision for the overall health of the football team.
What would have happened if AV suddenly went off the rails or got hurt? Going batty for no apparent reason does happen to kickers and he is frisky in coverage. And while he's 34 this year, he won't stay 34 for years 2, 3, and 4. The risk was manageable when he was signed to a 1 yr contract but a multi year deal with a signing bonus makes it dicier.
I speculate that while the Pats wouldn't have minded having the reliability of the player back they also aren't too upset about losing his contract.
FWIW - Adam was never on the 2006 Top 51 list
Please provide a couple of examples.
Right. The 2006 league year began in early March.
You mean like Martin Gramatica? He hits 82.0% (110/134) of his FGs his first four years in the league and only 60% (27/45)the last two???
Hopefully it was the injury that was the reason for it.......
YearTeamG1-1920-2930-3940-4950+TotLgBlkPct1999Tampa Bay Buccaneers160-08-810-126-83-427-3253284.42000Tampa Bay Buccaneers160-08-88-107-95-728-3455182.42001Tampa Bay Buccaneers140-09-109-95-70-323-2949079.32002Tampa Bay Buccaneers160-07-814-156-105-632-3953282.12003Tampa Bay Buccaneers160-09-93-63-81-316-2650561.52004Indianapolis Colts150-06-73-61-51-111-1953157.9TOTAL930-047-5047-5828-4715-24137-179551176.5
Of kickers who go batty? Or Adam frisky in coverage?
Half the NFL kickers are already batty, they don't have to go there
Adam is one of those kickers who will try to tackle a returner. You never saw him do that? Really?
In a way it is good to have a kicker think he is a football player, but saving a TD is not worth losing a kicker for the season, IMO. Kickers should get outsid, within 4-5 feet of sideline, and turn the returner in wheer he can be tackled by STers. (or easily and safely push the returner OOB if he insists on staying outside.)
It is hard to fault a guy for tackling, though, just like it is hard to fault Brady for tucking the ball and running upfield when there is a huge gap. I still hold my breath when he (Brady) does it. A QB is more important than a K. I have to wonder sometimes, are 15 yards worth it?
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