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    Unreal.

    In May 2007, 238,032 households in Massachusetts were on the food-stamp dole for $450 million a year.

    Now, according to the Department of Transitional Assistance’s own statistics, 482,000 households are grabbing $1.3 billion a year.


    Gov gets (food) stamp of approval from prez - BostonHerald.com
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    watch as the idea of transition becomes permanent and you have stoned 18 year olds buying cookies at farmers markets with their EBT's
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    If my basic math skills are working today....

    In 2007 (450M/238032 HHLDs) = $1890.50 average HHLD benefit

    In 2012(?) It is (1.3B/482000 HHLDs) = $2697.10 average HHLD benefit

    So the average HHLD benefit has risen by 43% in the last 5 years.

    Has there been an equal increase in the Cost of Living here in the Commonwealth during that timeframe?
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    But Drew, what's $2,700 cash anyway? It's only like $250 a month. Plus, why do you want to take money away from Granny, and why do you hate poor people? Save the children!

    This is what people will say when you discuss runaway welfare handouts. I don't think most people, including me, have a problem with "assistance" in general. What we have an issue with is half a million households in Massachusetts alone getting an EBT card handout. Most sane people know that once you give out a card, you're not going to take it away. Doing so will be labeled as hating the poor, or "the children!". Half a million EBT'ers in MA alone. Wow.
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    obviously, they should just "please be quiet - edited" and take that job at Wal-Mart - the only ones left.
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    Who is telling them to STefU?

    On a related side note, my wife just got a new job last week. Decent money, no benes and very little in terms of requirements; degree etc. And it wasn't at a Wally World.

    Also, there could be a bunch of roles opening at the place I work in November depending on how the election goes
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    the problem is that these people would actually have to work.......to many of them, it is violation of their right to do nothing

    but hell.....let's just stick the 'transitional assistance' in there to give the appearance they were all hardworking people one time and will be again once they free themselves of the shackles that have them bound to their couch.......and TV......and microwave
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    really? where?

    those jobs you and your parents and grandparents enjoyed? they're in Bangladesh now.
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    People should be forced to take ANY job they can get if they're on welfare.

    No one physically able to work should have the option NOT to work no matter what the job is.

    Doing nothing should be a choice....just not on our dime Titus.

    Do you actually believe everyone should have the right to a "GOOD" job? All my life I've seen people do jobs from pumping septic system, sweeping streets, collecting garbage to working at WalMart. If you're unemployed and have few qualifications, you should be grateful to be offered and accept any job.
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    forced, even... cool.

    You mean like 13 year olds? It's kids who make up most of welfare.

    Wait, i thought you just said "forced?"... How much of your paycheck do you honestly believe goes to poor kids... erm, i mean "deadbeats?"

    Creating stereotypes for what the average "welfare recipient" looks like in your own mind so you can hate them more doesn't change the reality. The vast majority are kids, mothers of those kids, and disabled.

    Uh huh.... Or deal drugs, which pays way better. You guys love the free market, right?

    Not for nothing, but pumping septic systems and collecting garbage also pays way better than WalMart. Benefits too. What's your point?

    Your "just shutup and work harder" rationale is showing again. I thought we were the most powerful, prosperous country on Earth? Ooops, nope. Cons sent all that prosperity overseas and blamed "taxes" for it all.
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    Unlike you, I don't blame a political party for anything. I've never voted for a replican president in my life...at least up until this point.

    The difference between you & I is that I'm intelligent enough not to engage in partisan politics. Anyone who believes any party is more righteous than the other just has their head buried in the sand.

    Where's your head Titus?
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    yes you most certainly do, and no, that's not the "difference" between you and I.
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    Hey Titus, who signed NAFTA? :confused2:


    So if not a free market system, maybe you propose the socialist system of europe, or the communist system of the eastern block?

    I think what PR is referring to by "forced" is no 99 weeks of unemployment bennies, or constant handouts. You get 6 weeks maybe, and then it's take a job, dip into your savings, or tough ****. A lot of people decide to wait for a job they like, as opposed to taking a job cuz they need to work.

    Titus, take a stroll into Market Basket and tell me all the people using EBT cards are kids, disabled, or homeless. Iphones, Nike's, and the bling the wear say otherwise.

    Half a million households in Massachusetts cha-chingin an EBT. Unreal.
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    Food stamps are not welfare, they are a Dept. of Agriculture Program administered by State Health and Human Services Departments... the concept originated with helping the farmer, and then helping the beneficiary of the program....

    The maximum food stamp benefit for a family of four is $668.00 per month an can be as low as $16.00 per month.

    For example, a household of four with a net monthly income of $900 would get a food stamp allotment of $398:


    Maximum allotment for household size of 4 $ 668

    Subtract 30% of net monthly income (.3 x 900)- 270

    Household food stamp benefit $ 398
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    Is the 30% tax?

    Why would to take 30% tax off of 900 Net income? Doesnt net imply taxes were already taken?

    Not to mention, if you had a family of four on 900 net monthly (assuming 30% tax) that is 1170 a month gross or 14,040 annual salary. For a head of household, the first 12,400$ are tax free, not counting deduction for dependents etc.

    Darryl and I missing your point?

    EDIT - Correction, misread the 2012 brackets. Apologies. The first 12,400 are taxed at 10%
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    My point is that SNAP is not a welfare program, it is a Dept. of Agriculture program.. that benefits the poor.

    Massachusetts food stamps - MassResources.org
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    And that's all well and good. But what was the 30% from 900 net in your example.

    EDIT - Nevermind. The 30% is what people are expected to pay for food in a month (from your link).
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    Food Stamps aren't welfare? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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    Do you want to get rid of food stamps? When wages are stagnant for 10 years, jobs are shipped overseas and the economy tanks what do you want people to do? Work for $7.25 an hour at Wal-Mart* for 20 hours a week with no benefits?

    *Wal-Mart is the definition of a "job-creator." They pay the least amount they can get legally get away with and treat their employees like crap.

    Say what you will about me, but I never shop at that place.
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    No they are not welfare, they are an Dept. of Agriculture program that benefits the farmer and poor folks..

    It indirectly benefits farmers more than anyone else...

    http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/MENU/Published/snap/FILES/Participation/2010Characteristics.pdf

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