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  1. Holy Diver

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    (1) Smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama's "stimulus" bill

    (2) Market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;

    (3) Market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;

    (4) Workers' right to secret ballot by opposing card check

    (5) Legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;

    (6) Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;

    (7) Containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat

    (8) Retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;

    (9) Protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and

    (10) The right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership



    Ronald Reagan's score ------ 4/10


    http://rawstory.com/2009/11/reagan-wouldnt-pass-purity-test/
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    When did Reagan take the test? Last week?

    Really though - some of these were not even issues or even existed in Reagan's time.
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    #24 Jersey

    7/10 for me.
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    from the link I posted...

    Trouble is, the measure would likely have screened out President Ronald Reagan, under whose watch the US deficit ballooned. The federal deficit mushroomed from 2.7 percent of gross domestic product in 1980, to 6 percent in 1983.

    Reagan also agreed to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security, in contradiction of conservative orthodoxy (though he did drastically reduce the top income tax brackets for Americans).

    The Gipper also raised the gasoline tax in 1983.

    George W. Bush would have had trouble too, Washington Monthly notes.

    Bush, too, dramatically increased the size of the federal deficit, which was turning surpluses under his predecessor, President Bill Clinton. He also broke with conservatives on the issue of opposing blanket amnesty for undocumented immigrants.

    Who else would fail the test?

    Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Republicans' 2008 presidential nominee, who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in the Senate, which would have enshrined in federal law a prohibition against same sex marriage benefits. McCain, however, hasn't been in far-right conservatives' good graces for some time.
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    well...sorry BF, you can't be a republican.

    move along now...
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    #24 Jersey

    I can be anything I want to be - that's what my parents always told me :D

    Anyway, there's a reason I vote Libertarian half the time. It's a rare person (like Patters) who it totally party line solely because he'd told to be.
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    I'm just saying, that it's hard to rate Reagan, since 2, 3, 4, 6, and 8 aren't really applicable as written.

    What was your score? I'm guessing 5/10???
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    Its odd isn't it, that the republican party has beciome so exclusive, that the shining beacons they cling to wouldn't even be able to be accepted? Plus...a party that claims Obama is a nazi socialist, REALLY might wanna think twice before they start laying out conformity pledges. Its hypocritical.

    I know you are a free thinker, and thus not part of an ideal. I was just saying that the Republicans don't want a C- republican...


    MY parents told me:

    "If you are going to have a party, invite everyone on the street."

    Seems like the republicans are cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.
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    Ronnie and I get the same score.. we got bingo...
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    Hell yeah.



    This is too simplistic to answer with a yes or no. If it's gubmit run care, it's a no. If it's the status quo market based as we see it today, it's also a no.

    Hell no to cap and trade. Hell yes to domestic energy.

    Votes by private citizens should remain so. Making such a vote public so that voters can be intimidated is wrong.


    Hell yeah.


    Too simplistic. What's the strategy? What's the goal? What are the particulars?


    I think most everyone is agree on this vague point. I'm not sure people want either Iran, or NK to get nukes. The question is more a matter how far one is willing to go in order to prevent that from happening. So again, far too simplistic, and vague a point.

    I support civil unions, and I think marriage is between one man, and one woman. If that's not the case, then marriage should be open to everyone, and anyone, without limitation.

    An abortion is a choice. The gubmit should not be in the business of paying to kill babies.

    I'm pro gun control. Again this is too simplistic. I think guns should be available to any law abiding citizen that wants one. I just think you should be licensed, trained, and have your record checked out. You shouldn't be giving guns to just anyone, nor should they be available next to the Twinkies in your local 7-Eleven. BTW, did you know you can't walk into a 7-Eleven down in Delaware, without seeing an Indian person....nevermind. :D
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    6) Ignored the military reccomendation to pull out of Beruit
    8) in 1978 he Opposed Californias anti-gay PROP6. As President he hosetd the first openly GAY sleepover at the white house.

    Independent Gay Forum - Reagan and Gays: A Reassessment

    During Reagan's presidency the first openly gay couple spent a night together in the White House. In a column for The Washington Post on March 18, 1984, Robert Kaiser described the sleep-over: “[The Reagans'] interior decorator, Ted Graber, who oversaw the redecoration of the White House, spent a night in the Reagans' private White House quarters with his male lover, Archie Case, when they came to Washington for Nancy Reagan's 60th birthday party. . . . Indeed, all the available evidence suggests that Ronald Reagan is a closet tolerant.”

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    My score (minus all the anti-Obama language)

    1) - I agree with less governemnet and spending. But...we spend 60% of our duckets on teh military. Seems to be that cutting that would be a huge savings. I'd love for us to spend our tax dollrs on constructive things like education and healthcare. Not bunker busters and F-18s.

    2) I'm a single payer fan. everything else is BS.

    3) I'm all for looking for alternative energy and propulsion systems. The combustion engine is not what I see as forward looking technology. we wouldn't have cap and trade if we put our best and brightest on solving this problem.

    4) I'm all for unions, and they have the right to do whatever they want, its really not up to the republicans or the democrats what a Union does. Isn't that BIGGER governement?

    5) I AGREE. We are a nation built on immagrants, but I do believe that amnesty shouldn't be granted. I'm lucky enough to have been born here, and know plenty of people who have become citizens the legal way. Get in line and buck up, it only takes a few months.

    6) Define victory in Iraq, and I'll let you know if I agree or not. In my mind, we have accomplished our goal(s) whatever they were....lets GET THE FUKC OUT!

    7) Proliferation by rogue nuclear states is the greatest threat to the united states. N. Korea already has nukes. Plus....you might wanna check the rebels in Pakastan as to where THOSE nukes are. Keeping the focus so narrow as to N. Korea and Iran is fukcing stupid.

    8) I could care less about this topic. In my mind its a wedge issue that will never go away.

    9) Health care should be a right.

    10) Guns suck. They turn paranoid pu$$iez into the ultimate warrior. I understand the self defense thing, but thats not what the 2nd ammendemt is about.


    so


    1.5/10
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