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  1. Harry Boy

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    Because Obama would be better for Cuba. He'd actually talk to Castro and possibly end the embargo. You know, as in make the world a better place instead of invading other countries for oil.
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    Never understood this embargo stuff, does anyone think that Saddam, Castro or Quadaffi ever went without??, the only people that go without are the women amd children.. the only reason the embargo exists is to pander to the spanish vote in Florida.. this is a freaking joke.. remember don't talk to anyone send warships off the coast.. scare the crap out of them.
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    In a way the embargo is a good thing...Cuba is still relatively unspoiled. Can you imagine if there was no embargo? The country would be one giant Sandals/Trump resort.

    And why do you say "Oh...the suffering of the women and children...oh the pain..."? Because every other country trades with Cuba. The condition of the country can be traced directly to the Castro family.

    That said, I've never supported the embargo either. We trade with China, traded with the Soviet Union...it's a stupid embargo.
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    Castro tortures, Castro kills, Castro Confines AIDS carriers to sanatoriums and Cuba is a f-cking Dump.

    American Liberals who go ballistic and start throwing blood all over city hall when an American Cop slaps a Murderers face or when America wiretaps a Muslim why do these American Liberals ADORE and Worship this creepy stinking savage DICTATOR-----:confused::confused:

    I always thought American Liberals were against Cruelty and Loss Of Freedom.

    Can you just picture GW Bush trying to put all of America's AIDS Carriers in a Sanatorium-

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    Because Castro does not suffer or want from anything, the women and chidren are effected... if our embargo is usurped by other nations, why continue the embargo.. to pander to the spanish vote in Fla..
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    Okay, so work with me a minute: if Castro doesn't suffer or want for anything, but the people are suffering/struggling, and every other country trades with Cuba, wouldn't that indicate that the problem is related to Castro and his government, and not the US embargo?

    And didn't I say I thought the embargo was stupid (except for having the by-product of keeping Cuba from becoming one big Trump hotel, casino and parking lot?

    And yes, it's partly (maybe mostly, I don't know) to pander to the Cubans in FL.
    And because it's some kind of habit, I guess. I don't know anyone personally who thinks it's a good idea. Do you?
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    Oil?

    We got Oil ?

    I heard it costs 38 cents a gallon for gas in Iraq and I paid 3.83 a gallon
    yesterday.
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    Maybe you should talk to the oil execs raking in record profits. Or perhaps the nice folks at PNAC who designed the Iraq invasion for critical leverage. Or you could just keep dumbing it down to the "price at the pump" argument like the Bush administration wants you to.
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    #24 Jersey

    The state of CA "makes" 5 times as much per gallon as the oil companies do. As you have been told over and over, oil companies make very little per gallon, no more than before, the record profits come from record consumption. I pay about 8 cents per gallon in profit to the oil companies but 40 cents or so to CA + more to the feds.
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    It's no surprise that Castro would prefer Obama to McCain. In fact, I would think most of the civilized world would prefer Obama to McCain. In fact, anyone who opposes war, even if their motives are selfish, would probably prefer Obama to McCain. Who is more likely to attack Cuba? Obama or McCain?
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    #24 Jersey

    What most of the world wants isn't that important; hint : that's why we don't let them vote.
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    INteresting, do you have a source or are we just supposed to believe what you say???
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    So McC is going to attack Cuba? I know his idol is Teddy Roosevelt, but isn't that taking it a bit far?
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    #24 Jersey

    This is a little old :

    http://www.jb-williams.com/4-25-06.htm

    but it's the best I could find. Although prices have gone up considerably since then, obviously the cost of the raw product has too.

    Anyway :

    "Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as follows.

    Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
    Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
    Refining $.29 cents per gallon
    Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
    Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
    Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)"


    This matches what I said which is what I've heard in numerous places on TV news, etc. Heck, in CA, there is a Gas Tax Tax, yes, we are taxed 8% of the Federal tax on gas.
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    Seen something quite different last week there was an article that I read discussing the profit margins of oil companies, that article indicated the profit margin was between 7% and 11%.. however cannot find that source.. here is one link that says Oil Companies are now about 7.6% which equates in California to about $.38 per gallon.. so your numbers are somewhat off..

    http://www.usnews.com/articles/busi...xons-profits-measuring-a-record-windfall.html

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    I didn't say that, I merely asked who is more likely. If you're Castro, chances are you worry more about McCain than Obama, don't you think?
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    Of course Obama would be better for Cuba and he'd be better for everybody else all over this world that "Hates Us".

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    Another issue is that China has permission from Cuba to drill for oil off of its coast...
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    #24 Jersey

    Why are my numbers off ? Why not yours ? I have heard it in multiple sources. I think the discrepancy is that some oil companies also own refineries so they can make money at more than one stop. But even if it's way more than 8 cents, which I'm not conceding, the absolute maximum is around what the CA tax alone is. So when people are complaining about oil companies' profits why not complain about the taxes ? At least the oil companies are producing a service without a huge markup. I/we pay all that money in taxes and are roads still suck.
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    Reason # 294,596 not to vote for Obama.

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    GJAJ, you can't use those figures. That article said profit margin (and it actually indicated oil companies were making a little less than the average, btw), because your discussion with BF was about gas prices. Keep in mind that "Big Oil" sells much more than gasoline. So it's apples/oranges.
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    http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=295051737752027
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    Considering oil was a quarter of the cost it is now, how is it that we invaded for oil? Also, why prop up, aid, and give credit to a repressive, communist regime? Obama might be great for Castro, but he'd be bad for Cubans themselves.
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    Right, cuz the "we invaded for oil" tp isn't dumbing it down.
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    I guess you view Castro, Chavez, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc, as civilized then. Why am I not surprised.

    Attack Cuba??????????????????????
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    Profit per gallon, versus overall profit margin, are two different things. Gallons of gas aren't the only thing that companies like Exxon sell.
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    Yes, I think Castro is civilized. Cuba is one of the leading providers of medical care to many poor countries and Castro through out a corrupt government. It doesn't mean I agree at all with Castro's policies or economic approach. But, he's certainly one of the better leaders outside of the European way of thinking. I'm not sure about Chavez, and certainly Hamas and Hezbellah I oppose as I do all right-wing religious extremists. As far as attacking Cuba, I doubt we will, but if I was Castro, I'd rather have Obama than McCain in that regard.
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    Not minimizing the tax impact just point out your profit numbers for the oil companies are little low.. that is all... have heard this quite a few times that the profit margin is between 7-11% for oil companies.. so it is quite a bit higher than the 8 cents.. from my view both are to blame, but the government does not make billions like the oil companies do.. that is all.

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