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  1. Patters

    Patters Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    If you like the government having more and more unfettered access to your lives, you'll love this:

    http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060321/BUSINESS07/603210412/1020/BUSINESS

    PHILADELPHIA -- The Internal Revenue Service is quietly moving to loosen the once-inviolable privacy of federal income-tax returns.

    If it succeeds, accountants and other tax-return preparers for the first time would be able to sell information from individual returns -- or even entire returns -- to marketers and data brokers.

    The change is in a set of proposed rules the Treasury Department and the IRS published in the Dec. 8 Federal Register, where the official notice labeled them "not a significant regulatory action."
     
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    #24 Jersey

    You conveniently forgot this piece :

    "The proposed rules, which would become effective 30 days after a final version is published, would require a tax preparer to obtain written consent before selling tax information."
     
  3. Patters

    Patters Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I didn't forget it, and I suspect you agree it's still an awful rule. Written consent is usually b.s., and I don't think I need to explain why.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I'm not in favor of this and would prefer the IRS to be abolished. But their needing written consent does change the context quite a bit.
     
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    BF, if the requirement was that people send a letter in their own writing requesting that the tax preparer use the info as s/he see fit, that's one thing. But, more than likely, the large tax preparers will simply hand you a big document with a lots of tax questions, a signature line, and some text that says something like, "By signing this document you are giving the tax preparer permission to use your information to help you save money in the future."
     
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    I've always thought that people that sign that kind of stuff without questioning it deserve what's coming to them. If I don't understand something and how it benefits me, my signature is not going on it.
     
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    I know what you mean, but just think of all those neocons with eighth grade educations.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Without trying to sounds classist (the equivalent of racist but for differing wealth classes) I doubt many of the lesser educated have the money to be using a tax preparer. Anyone who needs a tax preparer should know better IMO.
     
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    That feeds into the big critisism of liberalism: that it overcompensates for people who don't want to think for themselves.

    Seems like there could be a compromise solution: what if disclosure was required in clear language (the government could even mandate the words, such as "By signing below you agree to have your income tax return shared with third parties.")
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Actually, more and more do. Tax prep services are pretty cheap.

    However, even this Neo-Con with his limited education knows enough to read the print first.

    :grin:
     
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    My eighth grade education crack was directed at Harry, but there is some truth to it. There are many groups who might sign something unwittingly, such as people who are intimidated by legalese, people who speak English as a second language, illiterate people, and so on. There's no reason whatsoever that our tax return info should be made public, especially with an individual's name, address, and social security number attached to it. If someone wants to know how much I earned or how much I gave to charity, if I want, I can provide that info without providing my tax return.
     
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    I'm with you 100%. I think this is a stupid move. The generic use of income/tax info (so we can know that 20% of 20-25 year olds make $x) is fine with me. However, this is way off base.
     
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    Whats the IRS?
     
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    Hopefully in 50 years that will be a legitimite question just like kids today ask "what are 8 tracks" ?
     
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    When my mother was young (close to 60 years ago), she visited a friend with a prominent CPA sticker on her door. My mother said, "I didn't know you were a Certified Public Account." Turns out, she wasn't, she was a member of the Communist Party of America!

    On that note, you might find an IRS to your liking here:

    http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=IRS&Find=Find&string=exact
     
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    When "State Lottery's" became legal in America the Federal Income Tax should have been abolished.

    I wonder how the "Uncle Teddy Gang" would feel about that?
     
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    another nugget of wisdom from the boards whipping boy
     
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    Why do liberal democrats LOVE taxes :bricks:
     
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    I thought AAB was a libertarian.

    You know, it's possible to hate taxes but still find what you said to be stupid...
     
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    Disable Jersey

    A bad proposal, mostly for reasons Pujo cited. Unnecessary. A sop to tax preparers. All of this would be moot were we to have
    www.fairtax.org
     

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